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the smoke radioed for the masses of July

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8 1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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all right good evening Fade to Black I'm

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your host Jimmy Church how's everybody

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doing how you doing

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all right today is February what are we

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today is today the today's the first

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February 1st 2023 our guest tonight is

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Riz verk and I just wanted to mention

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really quick Danny and Brinkley got

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called away on uh some of the stuff that

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he does and uh he apologizes uh to

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everybody but we are rescheduling uh to

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get Daniel back so we're working on that

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now but rizwork is with us tonight we're

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going to be talking about uh simulation

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Theory and a bunch of other stuff we're

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going to talk some UFOs and and get that

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into as well

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um but Riz is uh he's a businessman he's

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a scientist he's got a BS in computer

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science from MIT he's got an MS in

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management from Stanford's GSB he's

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currently working on his PhD at asu's

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College of global Futures and he's also

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of course researching the metaverse and

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Virtual Worlds

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um he's the author of many books and

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tonight we're going to talk about uh his

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latest book it came out a little bit ago

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we did a show uh introducing the book uh

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um so that we're going to jump into that

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tonight too as well

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um he's been featured in many magazines

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Time Magazine Boston Globe Wall Street

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Journal all that stuff but I think one

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of the coolest things uh that RIS Riz

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does he likes to produce films and

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television and and is also into gaming

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and uh an angel investor as well but uh

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Knights of badassed him one of uh one of

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the coolest movies I think ever made

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uh that's rizz and he's he's got his

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fingers in a lot of pies and I want to

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welcome back to the show The One and

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Only Riz for a Grizz how you doing my

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hey Jimmy good to be back on the show

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it's uh it's been a little while yeah

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it's been a little while you know you

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I'm out in rizza's world I want to know

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what it's like to wing it out to MIT for

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a week and then come back to Silicon

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Valley and and get into the tech and

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maybe go teach a few classes at ASU I

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mean you're a mover and a Shaker man and

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then you know write a book and maybe

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produce a movie

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University now uh and working on a PhD

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an accredited University that I know of

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that's dedicated to this idea of the

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simulation hypothesis uh and so that's

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keeping me pretty busy hopefully I will

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be able to offer that class online at

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some point and then you know my my

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follow-up book to the simulation

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hypothesis was called a simulated

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sucked back in to realize there may be

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multiple simulations running yeah and

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and we're going to discuss all of that

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tonight I'm fascinated with the subject

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and uh the the other part about it is

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you know I talked to physicists a lot uh

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I have friends that you know that that

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are out there in in the sciences and the

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hard sciences and they man I think that

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they're starting to convince themselves

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that there's something strange going on

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this which is if there's an advanced you

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the time and and you know little NPCs

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non-player characters and maybe you and

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pretty easy and just running another

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instance of the world you can just say

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that case right and they would basically

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clone the world and in fact you know

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simulated Multiverse if you think about

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see how the weather might evolve right

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and that's something we can do better

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now still not perfect but certainly

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better than it was you know a couple

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decades ago or you know how a pandemic

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might evolve or how Technologies or how

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a war might in scenario might evolve and

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so you know it always doesn't make sense

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to do simulations unless you're going to

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run multiple ones right there's almost

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no point in running the simulation so

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you need to change the variables you

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need to say okay Jimmy is an NPC with

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you know this much Charisma and we're

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going to crank it down in the next run

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or up right and and then in the same way

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that we have our video game characters

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sheet I had actually a physical sheet

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strength the uh intelligence of the

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characters and and then and so I believe

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you know each of us is that in some way

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player characters right and and this is

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actually one of the biggest and most

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interesting aspects of simulation theory

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is are we players of the game in which

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case we exist outside of the game and

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what you're seeing is an avatar right so

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you're seeing my avatar I'm seeing your

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avatar and that's actually compounded

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with the fact that I'm not really

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talking to you Jimmy am I I'm talking to

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my computer right I'm talking to a

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representation of you in bits on my

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computer right right right right it's

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not that hard to grasp when you look at

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it in those terms Riz uh and and here's

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to use I'm going to go I'm going to

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swear like a sailor why should we give a

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we don't know now right so

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what does it change I still have my

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daughter right I still have my life I

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still have you as a friend what changes

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nothing right yeah well that that's a

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good question and I think people you

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know often ask me that so why does this

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matter to me right and the thing that

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would change is your perspective on the

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game and you know this is where all the

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world's religion so one of the reasons I

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like simulation theory is because I can

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talk about it with physicists with

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computer scientists uh with people at

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Silicon Valley and I can talk about it

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with religious people because it turns

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out that most of the religions have this

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idea whether it's the Eastern religions

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of Hinduism or Buddhism or even the

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judeo-christian religions that you know

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this is basically a some type of an

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illusion that's been set up for us uh

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temporary thing that we're in and then

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there's the Hereafter which is the world

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outside so even from a religious

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perspective there's this same idea and

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recently of a line in the Quran which I

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I hadn't even known about which is

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interesting because you know I grew up

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in an Islamic household and

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and I hadn't been aware of it and the

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line said we have set up this world as a

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game and a Pastime for you right

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basically that's something for you to do

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um and and so you see these threads

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within each of the major religions and

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so I think it could make it difference

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in certain ways now some people might

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want to freak out like if you've ever

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seen the movie the 13th floor yes which

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I assigned to my class last week and you

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been there when the movie came out in 99

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the same year as the Matrix right that

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was the year of simulation movies there

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was The Matrix there was the 13th floor

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and there was existence with Jude Law so

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there were like three you know major

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motion pictures about this idea but in

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there when they were inside the

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simulation this bartender guy finds out

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the simulation he starts freaking out he

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said what's the point and then the

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second point is why would you do this to

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us right why would you make us suffer

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inside the simulation so you can see

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that very quickly we go from ideas of

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technology and science to areas of

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metaphysics ethics uh you know and

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science fiction references are the best

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way to talk about those issues sometimes

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man I would love to take your class on

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this how what what what's the reaction

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uh you know from from your students

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um I'm only I'm asking for a couple of

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different reasons one you and I are old

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right we're just old and so and and your

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students you know they come from they're

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two generations behind us right and it's

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kind of it's scary to think about but

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but they have a different way of

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accepting and looking at things so are

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they cool with it you know and you know

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they just blow it off like you know so

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generation certainly the one that's in

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college now you know if they're in their

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early 20s or even The Graduate students

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who maybe are in their mid-20s or uh you

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know they've grown up with technology

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right we remember a time when computers

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were new and you would sit down and you

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to the internet you could play a game uh

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you could play Castle Wolfenstein or

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something like that uh but you know

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these guys have grown up with uh uh

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online multiplayer games and so I think

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many of them are used to the idea of

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having a representation of themselves

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that's an avatar online and you know

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there was a survey done of like I think

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is Gen Z is that the latest gen whatever

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the latest generation is they were

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saying that they would rather spend as

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much money on Virtual Goods

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clothing for their Avatar as they do on

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physical clothes you know for their

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physical Avatar as I like to call it as

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well and so I think for them the idea

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isn't as weird in fact you'd be

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surprised how many times I've talked to

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a parrot who said hey I bought your book

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because I heard you on Coast or on Jimmy

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church and I was interested in but my

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teenager just grabbed it and uh you know

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wouldn't let me read it because he

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wanted to know if we're inside a video

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game right so I think this idea of a

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multiplayer video game that metaphor is

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one that they understand quite well and

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it becomes a different way into some of

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the same issues that we've been talking

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about forever

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the uh the acceptance of it I I'm not

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surprised but the other part if we if we

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imagine okay so this is a simulation and

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then

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goggles

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and and and going now we are inside of a

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simulation that is inside of a

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simulation

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and you you know your head starts to

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swim a little bit and to think about

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this and then even even in that

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simulation what if you go in that

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simulation uh in that AR reality and

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pick up another pair of AR goggles right

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and that right right so you're in the

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Stacked simulation environment right yes

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yeah now it's crazy as that is that

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generation that you're talking about it

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it it sounds normal to them

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right because they understand the

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technology

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that's right and it's not that odd for

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them because you know you think of

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computers today they were always

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physical like when I was you know

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learning to program right you had a

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physical computer today when they

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programmed their program in the cloud so

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if it's a computer science student right

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a lot of their programming happens and

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implementation happens in the cloud and

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what that means is there are machines

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somewhere right that are hosting this

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stuff but it's all virtual anyway and so

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you know I reference the 13th floor and

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if you go back to that movie I I like to

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say it's almost in some ways a better

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representation of some of the issues of

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simulation than a matrix of course

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everyone knows the Matrix and there's a

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lot of great scenes from that that we

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can draw upon when we talk about this

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but in the 13th floor you'll remember

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they were in the present which was the

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90s and they created a simulation of La

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in the 1930s or 40s I think it was 37 I

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think it was right and in that

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simulation people were living their

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lives just as they were and then you

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know

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they find okay I I don't think I'm

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ruining anything given that it's a 20

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year old movie

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yeah yeah and then what happens is

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someone comes from outside their

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simulation and tells them that they're

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in a simulation right it was this uh

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this woman who takes over uh an NPC and

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starts to tell him and she says that

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that they made thousands of simulations

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right in the future which might be the

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present today like 20 25 perhaps it was

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I don't remember the year or 2043 but

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she said we made thousands of

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simulations and the only one of them

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where you created your own stacked

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simulation was yours and we're here to

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shut you down right because you're using

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too much computing power and and so this

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has become an interesting philosophical

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question there was a guy who wrote not

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bad for the New York Times a couple

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years ago now and he said we shouldn't

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try to find out if we're in a simulation

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because if we do then the simulators

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might shut us down right and we don't

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want that so maybe it's better not to

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know uh but but I like to say it's

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better to know if it's an NPC simulation

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or in a role-playing game simulation uh

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because you know if it is a role-playing

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game simulation then the purpose that

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you know of some of these things that

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happen to you like with video games you

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know Nolan Bushnell who is the founder

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of Atari he used to say to make a game

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that's good you have to make it easy to

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play but difficult to master right you

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don't want it to be too easy you want to

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be easy to play but not easy to master

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you don't want to be too difficult to

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master but you know life can be thought

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of as a video game that is easy to play

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I mean we're all here right it can be

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difficult to master we have lots of

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issues that come up as we go through it

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whether it's health issues Financial

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issues relationship issues technical

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issues

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ETC and perhaps at some level just like

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in a video game you choose these Quests

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for yourself and you say okay this is a

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difficult thing you know perhaps in this

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life I might have a storyline like I may

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want for example if you had asked me in

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in high school what are you going to be

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so well I'm going to be a computer

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entrepreneur and then I'm going to be a

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writer

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okay now how did I know that right it

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was just one of those things that felt

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like it was part of my storyline I was

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wrong about some of the dates of when I

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would be a full-time writer but but

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overall that's the arc that followed and

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perhaps you know there were there are

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quests and achievements along a story

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line that we choose for ourselves in the

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same way that we choose characters and

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quests and achievements for for them

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inside a video game now you hang out uh

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in in Silicon Valley you've got a lot of

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friends and businesses and things that

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are going on there

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when this chatter started I'm going to

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go the conversation happened way before

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that we can go back to different writers

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and Philip K dick and and so forth but

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but as far as uh Silicon Valley goes

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these Tech CEOs and and these VPS of

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engineering uh three four five years ago

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started to talk about

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living in a simulation and and that this

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is a very real and started to throw out

436
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numbers rizz well it's kind of like it's

437
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50 50. right wait wait wait wait what

438
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and these are very very smart people

439
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running very large corporations Elon

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Musk chimed in on this right yeah he

441
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said the chances that we are not in a

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simulation

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the chances that we are in base reality

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is one in billions right so that means

445
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the chances that we are in a simulation

446
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is you know billions minus one right so

447
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it's like 99.99

448
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likelihood right yeah and so here's how

449
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the argument goes

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because we are building our own

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technology right getting back to what

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you were talking about earlier we're

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going to create our VR glasses right and

454
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we're not there yet right our VR glasses

455
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are still big and bulky and we can talk

456
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about the metaverse and how it's

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evolving but you know when I wrote the

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simulation hypothesis a few years ago I

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laid out the 10 stages of technology to

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get to what I call the simulation point

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and that is a kind of technological

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singularity right when a lot of people

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hear the term Singularity they think

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it's all about Ai and super intelligence

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and that was kind of how it was

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originally talked about but there were

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other kinds of technological

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singularities and the basic idea is that

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after that point nothing is the same

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because of the technology now that could

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be because AI gets super intelligent AI

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apocalypse we can talk about that if we

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want to but another way is if we get to

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the simulation point where we can create

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one

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Virtual Worlds that are

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indistinguishable from her physical

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reality and two we can have ai wandering

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around these Virtual Worlds and when you

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talk to them it's indistinguishable from

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real humans so we've not only passed the

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Turning test but we've passed this

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simulation test that I'm talking about

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and guess what you know if you look at

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video games I have a a slide it's in one

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of my presentations where I talk about

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the metaverse The Matrix but you look at

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a racing game in eight bits which was

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like Pole Position which I played as a

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kid and you see it's very blocky but

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it's got the basic track then you see a

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16-bit version for Sega Genesis a

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Nintendo then you see a 32-bit version

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then you see a 64-bit version of a

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racing game and at that point you

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basically cannot tell that that is not a

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real car in a real road now if you've

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seen The Matrix awakens which is uh uh

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it was a video game they released in the

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fall with the new Matrix movie and in

501
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there you can still tell that you know

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that's not really Keanu Reeves it's a

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digital CGI version but when they look

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at the city and the cars you honestly

505
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can't tell I mean it could be Berlin or

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San Francisco and so the reason Silicon

507
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Valley got interested in this and the

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reason they're coming up with these oh

509
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yeah there you go

510
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I got my pedals I've got the whole get

511
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up here and yeah and let me let me say

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this because I am fully you're talking

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to somebody that's really into this

514
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stuff right

515
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and the level

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of what is going on today in these

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simulation they're called simulation

518
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racing games right simulation driving

519
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games

520
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it's incredible like it's insane and uh

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going back to Pole Position which I I

522
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used to carry a roll of quarters

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for a pole position really okay so you

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know that game of course man of course

525
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of course and and uh I used to wonder in

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that game when it went around the track

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what would you know there would be like

528
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a mountain a Mount Fuji or some

529
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bleachers and I wonder what the heck's

530
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it Beyond it I didn't know about then

531
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right right right right right right

532
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Horizon Forza five that's an unlimited

533
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game it's unlimited so you can just take

534
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if you've got a four-wheel drive it's a

535
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this one is set in Mexico you could

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drive across the entire country drive

537
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through cities you could take a

538
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right-hand turn drive over mountains

539
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volcanoes and it you know and the game

540
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writes itself as you're as you're going

541
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right it's not all programmed it's it's

542
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how it's written so you can go in

543
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infinitely in in any direction but in in

544
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,539
a very realistic environment it's crazy

545
00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:50,400
it's crazy so anyway I got you

546
00:21:58,010 --> 00:21:52,700
sidetracked off of that

547
00:22:02,210 --> 00:21:58,020
your point was that the realism in

548
00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:02,220
today's gaming and and computer AR is

549
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:05,159
starting to get really really good yeah

550
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:06,539
it's starting to get really good and

551
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,700
we're still only about stage five out of

552
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:10,260
my ten stages to get to the simulation

553
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:14,880
point but you can see within a decade or

554
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:16,980
two decades heck let's say a hundred

555
00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:20,640
years we'll get there where you would

556
00:22:24,169 --> 00:22:22,260
not be able to tell these characters I

557
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,179
mean if you look at chat GPT today right

558
00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:27,600
if you're if if it's producing text it's

559
00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:29,100
gotten to the point where it's difficult

560
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:32,340
now to tell whether the text was written

561
00:22:36,409 --> 00:22:34,200
by human or Ai and in fact that's one of

562
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,419
the major issues going on with all this

563
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:39,360
generative AI that's coming up which is

564
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:41,940
a kind of more immediate AI problem but

565
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:44,520
if you if you pair that with virtual

566
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,679
characters that look realistic and you

567
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,480
really can't tell the difference it

568
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,919
means that we're going to get to the

569
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:51,900
simulation point now eventually I say

570
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:54,000
we're going to have uh you know brain

571
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,860
computer interfaces speaking of Elon

572
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:57,360
Musk you know he's been trying to build

573
00:23:01,850 --> 00:23:00,179
that with neuralink and they had a

574
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,860
picture of uh they had a video of a

575
00:23:06,049 --> 00:23:04,799
monkey playing a video game and they

576
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,059
taught the monkey to play the game and

577
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,640
the game was Pond right so which is the

578
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,080
first widely available video game back

579
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,600
in the the 1970s and so you know the

580
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:13,919
monkey was trained with some reward

581
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,900
system and it had a chip in its head and

582
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:17,280
it was using the joystick but then they

583
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,840
disconnected the joystick and they found

584
00:23:24,350 --> 00:23:20,700
the monkey could still play the game by

585
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,360
reading it's uh it signals right and so

586
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:26,880
the point is if we can get there let's

587
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,980
say it takes another 100 years that

588
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,240
means computers will have only been

589
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:32,880
around for 150 years and we can get to

590
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:35,820
the simulation point so what about an

591
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:37,799
alien civilization let's say EG

592
00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:40,440
civilization that has been around for 10

593
00:23:45,649 --> 00:23:42,840
000 years how good have their computers

594
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,659
gotten and so this was the argument it

595
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:47,760
was first put put up by a guy at Oxford

596
00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:50,100
named Nick Bostrom a philosopher who

597
00:23:54,409 --> 00:23:52,740
said look if anybody ever gets there

598
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,419
they're going to make lots of these

599
00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:56,820
simulations and so what Elon Musk was

600
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,980
talking about he said you know

601
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:00,960
where in one reality but there's

602
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:03,360
billions of simulated realities so which

603
00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,919
one are you more likely to be in it was

604
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,600
like simple statistics so that was what

605
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,400
got some people really talking about

606
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,559
this but it's also the fact that the

607
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,200
video games have gotten so good uh and

608
00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:14,880
that we now we're living so much of our

609
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:17,820
life virtually anyway uh that and that's

610
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:19,559
what led to the hype cycle of the

611
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:21,240
metaverse that we saw over the last year

612
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:25,740
or two yeah and the

613
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:30,419
um uh I want to make this point

614
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:33,720
um and for everybody to understand uh

615
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:37,679
this how easy it is to do when you know

616
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,799
no man's sky right okay so with with

617
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:42,000
that game

618
00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:46,320
that all of that uh expansiveness which

619
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:50,460
is unlimited right the the 18 quid 18

620
00:24:55,490 --> 00:24:53,400
quintillion planets yeah yeah I don't

621
00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:55,500
even know what that is right I don't

622
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,440
even know how big of a number that but

623
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:00,320
it's it's because

624
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,240
it's creating as you go

625
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,760
those planets aren't in the software

626
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:07,679
although the software is no you know

627
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:09,059
it's a couple of gigabytes or whatever

628
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:13,200
it is but um it it it's writing as you

629
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,159
go it's creating as you go and so the

630
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,919
code is actually very simple and elegant

631
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:22,080
compared to the vastness of the world

632
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:25,919
which is unlimited right you can go

633
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:29,279
anywhere uh at any point in time and

634
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:30,720
never Strike the end of the game because

635
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,200
it's always writing that's what that's

636
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:36,120
what an advanced civilization would do

637
00:25:42,430 --> 00:25:39,480
the coding for this to create a universe

638
00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:42,440
we've already done it with no man's sky

639
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,299
right it's yeah it's called procedural

640
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:47,400
generation yeah so rather than having

641
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:50,100
somebody design all these planets in no

642
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,140
man's Sky which would be impossible

643
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:53,760
right for us to sit there and have

644
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,500
enough time to design that many planets

645
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:57,299
they generate them on the Fly and they

646
00:26:01,310 --> 00:25:58,860
use these different algorithms like

647
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,320
fractal algorithms or things called

648
00:26:05,210 --> 00:26:03,539
purling noise there's a few you

649
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:05,220
different algorithms that generate like

650
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:06,740
you know realistic looking water

651
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,299
realistic looking flora and fauna so

652
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,779
different trees and even animals and so

653
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:14,880
if you take like the techniques of No

654
00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:16,020
Man's sky

655
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,059
and then you combine it now with

656
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,400
degenerative AI That's gotten so big

657
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:22,799
lately with like Dolly where you you

658
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:24,059
know you give it a prompt and it

659
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,520
generates an image for you or chat GPT

660
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,860
if you were to combine that and some

661
00:26:32,210 --> 00:26:30,480
people are starting to do this you could

662
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,220
say hey I want to plan it you can just

663
00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:34,500
say I want a planet that has you know a

664
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:37,020
bunch of different types of of trees and

665
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:39,240
a bunch of different types of lakes and

666
00:26:42,649 --> 00:26:40,980
I want to create some monsters that look

667
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,659
like this right so we're getting to the

668
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,760
point where the AI can create it based

669
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:47,039
upon your pumps and that makes it so

670
00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:49,020
that even the people who are playing a

671
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:51,179
game eventually could use these

672
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:53,580
algorithms to keep doing it but yeah

673
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,260
it's very possible I mean any

674
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:57,360
civilization that's as advanced as ours

675
00:27:01,730 --> 00:26:59,940
can do that and then if they're way more

676
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:01,740
advanced in that they can create

677
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,919
basically the Matrix right which raises

678
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:06,419
the possibility that we are already

679
00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:08,820
inside one of their versions of The

680
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:09,720
Matrix

681
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,940
what would you care

682
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,039
I know I said I wouldn't would you care

683
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:17,520
I I would care but it depends on this

684
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:18,840
fundamental issue that I've been talking

685
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,140
about whether we are simply NPCs so

686
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:25,440
we're AI within the simulation or if we

687
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:26,460
are

688
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:32,760
role-playing game where we actually have

689
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,120
a physical headset on so like if you if

690
00:27:42,409 --> 00:27:38,880
you ever saw that Rick and Morty episode

691
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,419
uh where they had a a video game parlor

692
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:44,640
like outer space somewhere and they had

693
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:47,100
a game called Roy a life well lived

694
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,279
right and so uh Rick I guess or Morty

695
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,140
whoever's the the younger kid right he

696
00:27:56,390 --> 00:27:54,539
puts on the headset and suddenly he's a

697
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,400
little kid waking up and telling his mom

698
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,080
I had a dream about some weird old guy

699
00:28:01,789 --> 00:28:00,240
putting a headset on my face and then he

700
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,799
goes through this entire life goes

701
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:03,600
through school you know he plays

702
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:05,880
football gets married has kids and then

703
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,860
at the end he dies at like 55 years old

704
00:28:11,930 --> 00:28:09,539
because he falls like at work or

705
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,940
something and then you know they take

706
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,919
his headset off and he's like wait

707
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:15,539
what's going on where's my wife where's

708
00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:18,419
my kids right uh and it said you know

709
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,020
your score is 55 years or whatever right

710
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,480
and in that case I think there is uh

711
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:27,059
there is a reason to know so I I would

712
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,220
like to know because then that helps me

713
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,200
put things into perspective again like

714
00:28:35,870 --> 00:28:33,659
what I was saying earlier where if if

715
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,880
you've got tough challenges it's very

716
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:37,620
possible that you chose those challenges

717
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,020
and you know there are some people whose

718
00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,760
life they seem to have a higher

719
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,220
difficulty score than other people as

720
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:46,080
well and so it gives us a different

721
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:48,360
perspective on things now of course you

722
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:49,740
need to know what is the purpose of the

723
00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:52,140
simulation right is it Grand Theft Auto

724
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:54,659
which I don't think it is right or is it

725
00:28:57,649 --> 00:28:56,100
you know we're supposed to be treating

726
00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,659
each other with kindness is it that

727
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,820
we're supposed to see if we can get to

728
00:29:03,470 --> 00:29:01,440
the simulation point or if we can get

729
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,480
off planet right maybe that's the

730
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,760
purpose of the simulation or the purpose

731
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,900
is for us to create these stack

732
00:29:10,210 --> 00:29:09,120
simulations so and it would be nice to

733
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:10,220
know

734
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:15,120
if if again if this is the case and I

735
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:17,400
understand the possibility of it being

736
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,080
real

737
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,200
um the question about free will

738
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:25,279
and and Consciousness always comes up

739
00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:29,220
and I I automatically just think wait a

740
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:30,059
minute

741
00:29:33,970 --> 00:29:33,000
you have free will in a video game

742
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:33,980
right right

743
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,659
you've got a controller you've got a

744
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,120
joystick you've got your steering wheel

745
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:41,820
you've got your pedals you're making

746
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,419
decisions through the game so it would

747
00:29:48,889 --> 00:29:47,039
be the same thing sorry I don't think

748
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:48,899
Free Will goes away it's no longer I

749
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,940
don't think it's uh a determined uh

750
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,159
simulation I I just don't see it that

751
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:58,260
way and I think that's a that's a very

752
00:30:03,529 --> 00:30:01,140
non-trivial point in in all of this what

753
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,539
happens to Free Will and and the

754
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,039
question of consciousness

755
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,960
it is and it's I think the one thing

756
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,460
that people get freaked out the most

757
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,860
right they say well if I'm in a Sim I

758
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:12,720
don't have any free will and therefore

759
00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:15,899
everything is determined right but like

760
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,480
you said if you're playing a video game

761
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:20,159
you control the player but you still

762
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,020
have that free will it's coming from

763
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:25,380
outside of the code itself and there are

764
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:27,659
processes I mean the only thing truly

765
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,640
random from us in science perspective

766
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:31,740
that's not everything else is kind of

767
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:34,980
deterministic right in that according to

768
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:36,419
science and physics you know you can

769
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,860
kind of do the equations at least they

770
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:39,679
think everything is

771
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,659
predictions and probabilities sure yeah

772
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:45,240
yeah but in quantum physics the one

773
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,580
thing that is not determinant that's

774
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:49,620
indeterminate is quantum indeterminacy

775
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,659
and that is when you've got two possible

776
00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:54,179
values for something and one of those

777
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,460
gets chosen we call it the collapse of

778
00:31:00,350 --> 00:30:58,020
the probability wave or the observer

779
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,360
effect and nobody knows why that happens

780
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:02,880
but the choice gets made and then you

781
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:05,340
only see one of those and for I'm most

782
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:06,659
people have heard of this already and I

783
00:31:09,230 --> 00:31:07,740
know we've talked about it in previous

784
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:09,240
shows but it's like the idea of

785
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:12,000
Schrodinger's cat the cat is in a box

786
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,100
and it's got some poison it has a 50

787
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:16,260
chance of being alive 50 chance of being

788
00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:19,320
dead once you know Common Sense tells us

789
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:21,000
the cat is either alive or dead we just

790
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:23,159
don't know after an hour but quantum

791
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:25,320
physics tells us the cat is both alive

792
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:27,480
and dead so it's in a state of

793
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,320
superposition until it's Observer or a

794
00:31:34,970 --> 00:31:33,240
measurement that's made and I say that's

795
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:34,980
exactly how we build video games right

796
00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:38,820
what we do is we only render yeah on the

797
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,179
on the screen that with your avatar is

798
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,919
observing right we don't render the

799
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,840
whole 18 quintillion planets on your

800
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,480
laptop Jimmy right you only see the part

801
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:50,820
that your specific Avatar and same with

802
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:52,740
me so if we're in the same room we might

803
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,260
even be rendering slightly different

804
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,600
points of view and versions of it and so

805
00:32:02,090 --> 00:31:59,460
you know the the rule in quantum physics

806
00:32:04,010 --> 00:32:02,100
tense seems to be render only that which

807
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,020
is observed and that's the rule of video

808
00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:06,059
games that's what we can make a World of

809
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,559
Warcraft today we couldn't back in the

810
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:09,600
80s if you would ask somebody in the 80s

811
00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:11,159
can we make World of Warcraft they'd say

812
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,600
no there's way too many pixels we can't

813
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:14,340
keep track of all that stuff and then

814
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,440
there were optimization techniques yeah

815
00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:18,720
you can't code all of that that was one

816
00:32:21,889 --> 00:32:20,220
of the big breakthroughs you're right

817
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:21,899
you know just have it render as you

818
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:24,419
enter the room it doesn't matter the

819
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:26,720
rooms that they are not in

820
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:29,760
don't matter we don't write that code we

821
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:31,679
only write where you're at but that's

822
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,919
the same thing though and this is where

823
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,960
it gets a little freaky this is where it

824
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,100
gets freaky

825
00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:40,320
you're driving down the road

826
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,080
it's the same you can't see Istanbul

827
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,960
from Los Angeles right that you know you

828
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,120
can't see New York City from Los Angeles

829
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:54,360
you can't even see Phoenix right but you

830
00:32:58,909 --> 00:32:57,299
drive to it and things appear and it's

831
00:33:02,450 --> 00:32:58,919
like wait a minute

832
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:02,460
that's that's that's a video game right

833
00:33:07,450 --> 00:33:04,440
that's right and here's a question was

834
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:07,460
Phoenix there all along was it there

835
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,520
and you know pull into town yes yes and

836
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:12,960
you look at computer science it does

837
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,019
give us a way to to uh resolve some of

838
00:33:20,590 --> 00:33:18,360
that conundrum which is that when you

839
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:20,600
have multiple people observing right

840
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,940
each one is observing something and that

841
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:25,919
something becomes concrete and then

842
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,899
there's something we call caching in

843
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:29,580
computer science and caching is where

844
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,279
you store information so you don't have

845
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,620
to re-render it so like if if you're in

846
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,960
one room or on a road it would store the

847
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:39,000
pixels you know just like 20 miles down

848
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,260
the road because it knows you're gonna

849
00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:42,720
go there right so as long as there's

850
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,019
somebody that's near that those pixels

851
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:49,080
get rendered and stay there so that's in

852
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,519
the case that we're in a multiplayer

853
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:52,500
simulation now if we're in a single

854
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:54,120
player simulation well then all that

855
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:56,760
gets tossed out though the window and

856
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,200
then if we're in a zero player

857
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:01,320
simulation or an our NPC simulation

858
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:03,059
that's where people start to get

859
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:04,980
concerned about free will like do we not

860
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,539
have free will at that point are we just

861
00:34:11,089 --> 00:34:08,820
computer code and so there's Shades to

862
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:11,099
simulation Theory which is why it's

863
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:13,139
flexible enough to talk about with

864
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,060
religious Traditions you know

865
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:17,280
reincarnation as well as with Scientists

866
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,500
who are very deterministic even

867
00:34:23,210 --> 00:34:21,359
deterministic processes there's

868
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:23,220
something called Chaos Theory right and

869
00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,899
what chaos theory tells us is that if

870
00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:27,000
you run a simulation you only make

871
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,440
slight little changes in the initial

872
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:30,720
conditions and where you end up on step

873
00:34:35,930 --> 00:34:33,300
two million is like way different if

874
00:34:37,490 --> 00:34:35,940
it's this value versus that value so a

875
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,500
tiny little and that's a completely

876
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:39,540
deterministic thing there's not even any

877
00:34:43,730 --> 00:34:42,060
free will in that if you just run the

878
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,740
equations you end up in way different

879
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:45,839
situations and that's why you have to

880
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,639
sometimes run multiple simulations I

881
00:34:54,109 --> 00:34:50,399
think uh right now

882
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:54,119
there's an ET with with VR glasses on

883
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,619
kicking back with his buddy going are

884
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,420
you listening to Riz and Jimmy right now

885
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:00,660
this stuff is funny it's like we gotta

886
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:04,380
shut these guys down right guys either

887
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:05,640
that or we're gonna win because we

888
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:08,040
figured it out right right right they

889
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:11,940
think they have a clue oh no but but

890
00:35:16,569 --> 00:35:15,300
that is it I I think that the more that

891
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:16,579
you understand

892
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:20,940
uh about how the ones and zeros and

893
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:23,339
coding works and how advanced it has

894
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:25,140
gotten today I want to talk about chat

895
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:29,280
GPT in just a second how how good it has

896
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:33,839
gotten but the coding is not it's

897
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,079
complex but it's not it it you know what

898
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:39,960
I mean it hasn't run amok the coding is

899
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:43,800
simpler right we understand how to do

900
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,500
things in a more economic way with

901
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,960
faster processors with faster computers

902
00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:51,119
with faster bandwidth with with all of

903
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:52,940
these other things that come into play

904
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:57,119
and it is we're finding it very very

905
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,359
easy to do the idea uh going uh back to

906
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,400
chat GPT

907
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:04,800
um the idea of artificial general

908
00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,220
intelligence and the touring test and

909
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,619
you know getting to the singularity chat

910
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:12,960
GPT kind of snuck up on us there's

911
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:15,780
there's a lot of AI art and and and and

912
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,420
and and music writing and things that

913
00:36:25,089 --> 00:36:21,000
are out there but you can tell right you

914
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:25,099
can tell all right you can tell chat GPT

915
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:28,500
is good

916
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:31,980
I mean it is so good that now it's not

917
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,920
great did you did you see the report

918
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:37,500
that came out the press release uh two

919
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:40,740
days ago three days ago uh University of

920
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:43,560
Minnesota law school had chat GPT

921
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:47,660
tickets Law School exam yeah

922
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,220
that and also there was a medical exam

923
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:51,920
that it happened

924
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:56,820
right right and um uh and passed right

925
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,579
right like you said but it's not great

926
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:01,920
in the sense that if you read it you can

927
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,240
still kind of if you know something

928
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,400
about the subject you can kind of tell

929
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:07,260
it's disregarditating stuff that it

930
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,180
heard but if you don't know anything

931
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:10,859
about the subject you're like wow that's

932
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:12,300
really good like I honestly couldn't

933
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:15,060
tell and now chat GPT can write code

934
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:16,380
this is where it starts to get

935
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:17,880
interesting right that's where that's

936
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:19,680
the scary part that's this that's the

937
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:21,000
scary part when I was learning computer

938
00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:22,200
science like we had to write all the

939
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:24,180
code ourselves right now you could say

940
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,599
in a chat GPT give me a code that will

941
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:30,060
render a planet right I mean you'd have

942
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:32,280
to do it at a slightly you know lower

943
00:37:36,290 --> 00:37:34,140
level than that like give me an

944
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:36,300
algorithm for generating plants okay now

945
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:38,760
let's wrap that algorithm and I have I

946
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:40,500
have a friend uh classmate who does this

947
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:42,060
he you know he says he gets some code

948
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,980
and he finds the error and then he tells

949
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,960
you Chachi BT okay there's an error fix

950
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:47,820
it and it'll find and fix the error

951
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:50,579
right so we're getting to the point

952
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,820
where code can generate itself uh and

953
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,680
that that takes us in in in in in in in

954
00:37:59,329 --> 00:37:57,119
a scary place but I did want to say

955
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,339
before we go too far down the the

956
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:01,920
current technology sector you know the

957
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:03,240
reason I end up writing the book about

958
00:38:07,490 --> 00:38:05,520
the Multiverse was partly because of

959
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,500
this idea that we can run multiple

960
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:09,599
simulations and you know I had mentioned

961
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:11,940
that I interviewed Philip K Dick's wife

962
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:14,700
Tessa who I I know you know as well I

963
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:17,940
know you know she told me that

964
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:20,760
Philip came to believe that the man in

965
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:23,820
the High Castle right which was a

966
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,460
timeline about World War II where the

967
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,320
Germany and Japan won the war and they

968
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:30,960
split America between them that that was

969
00:38:35,450 --> 00:38:33,060
a real timeline right it wasn't just his

970
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,460
imagination and that the people that

971
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:37,800
were running the simulation right they

972
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:40,260
decided to then stop that timeline they

973
00:38:44,569 --> 00:38:41,880
rewound it and they re-ran another

974
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:44,579
timeline and then she also told me that

975
00:38:48,349 --> 00:38:46,200
supposedly they had prevented the

976
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,359
assassination of JFK in Dallas but then

977
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,700
he got assassinated somewhere else and

978
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,320
somewhere else or it ended up in a

979
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:55,200
nuclear war or some bad scenario and so

980
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,720
you know he made a famous speech in 1977

981
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:59,280
saying we are living in a computer

982
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:01,320
programmed reality and the only clue we

983
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:03,300
have to it is when some variable has

984
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:05,160
changed some alteration in our reality

985
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:07,320
occurs the important part of that speech

986
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:08,940
turns out wasn't just that we're in a

987
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:11,400
simulation because I went back and

988
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:14,280
Revisited all this but he said that some

989
00:39:18,589 --> 00:39:15,960
variables are changed we would have the

990
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:18,599
sense of deja vu that we were reliving

991
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,260
the same yeah he says that what language

992
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:24,780
was that in he had a translator

993
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:27,599
it was it was in France he was saying it

994
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:30,540
in English but it was in Mets France I

995
00:39:35,890 --> 00:39:33,300
have gone and listened to that speech

996
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:35,900
many many many times

997
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:40,500
and and if you listen to Philip K dick

998
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:44,460
what he is what he is telling them

999
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:46,740
um and you kind of remember this is 50

1000
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,560
years ago when he made that speech

1001
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,200
um he was telling dude we're we're in a

1002
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:54,960
simulation right now right now this you

1003
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,240
think you know and and and that's what

1004
00:40:02,270 --> 00:40:00,300
he was trying to it was kind of a

1005
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:02,280
softball right that you know trying to

1006
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:04,980
toss it out to everybody but if you

1007
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,040
listen to his words really closely he

1008
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,839
was convinced

1009
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:12,119
that we are living in a simulation and

1010
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,740
that's where he was getting all of his

1011
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,359
stories from

1012
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,640
yeah absolutely and people should watch

1013
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:19,920
it and you also can look at the reaction

1014
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,020
of the people in the audience they're

1015
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,960
like you are nuts man right this is in

1016
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:27,599
1977 the Apple II had probably just came

1017
00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:33,060
out or you can hear the uncomfortable

1018
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,400
um feeling in the room you can hear it

1019
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,020
you could hear it I mean people were

1020
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:39,060
fidgeting or like what what did he say

1021
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,700
with are they translating this right and

1022
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,400
you could see it he really freaked him

1023
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:46,740
out and nobody had

1024
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:49,380
um that when I said earlier that these

1025
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:51,599
Concepts have been discussed for a very

1026
00:40:57,230 --> 00:40:54,900
very you know that the the simulation

1027
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:57,240
conversation that's happening today Riz

1028
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:00,240
uh for most people this is brand new

1029
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:03,960
stuff no this has been talked about for

1030
00:41:08,930 --> 00:41:07,140
a very very long time and Philip K dick

1031
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:08,940
not only with the man in the High Castle

1032
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:11,880
but that speech that he gave at that

1033
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,359
presentation was uh one of the biggest

1034
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,300
turning points I think in in society

1035
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,119
that that suggestion and that's where he

1036
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:23,280
was getting his stories from it was a

1037
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:24,180
shocker

1038
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:26,099
yeah and he was you know way ahead of

1039
00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:28,740
his time right uh in in a lot of stuff

1040
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:30,300
that he put into his stories because

1041
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:31,800
everybody else was writing about outer

1042
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:33,660
space and you know they were writing

1043
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,520
about you know trips to the stars and

1044
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,920
Arthur C Clarke uh but you know he was

1045
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,240
writing about what happens with

1046
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:41,040
technology and what happens to our

1047
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,980
reality uh and you know Tessa also told

1048
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:46,800
me that he came up with this idea partly

1049
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,200
because he had gone into a room a

1050
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:50,880
bathroom where there was a light chain

1051
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,619
remember the old chains you used to pull

1052
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:54,599
to turn on the light and then turns out

1053
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:56,280
it wasn't there and it was a switch and

1054
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:57,540
he was wondering what the heck happened

1055
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,660
I I pulled his chain a hundred times uh

1056
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:02,160
and then he wrote the story The

1057
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,900
Adjustment team which became the basis

1058
00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:05,940
for The Adjustment Bureau which was a

1059
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:07,740
movie with Matt Damon and Emily Blunt

1060
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:09,540
and it was about these guys who would

1061
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,220
freeze reality and then they would

1062
00:42:16,190 --> 00:42:13,920
change variables and so you know this

1063
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:16,200
changing of variables that's what I call

1064
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:18,780
the simulated Multiverse it means that

1065
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:21,780
there may be multiple timelines and that

1066
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:24,900
we are living out these timelines and if

1067
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,720
you look at how you know AI might be

1068
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:30,119
playing chess for example it would kind

1069
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:32,280
of project forward and say this is where

1070
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,780
I'm going to likely end up if I go down

1071
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:35,640
this path this is where I'm going to end

1072
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,119
up if I go down that path uh but there

1073
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:41,579
are certain processes that are called

1074
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,560
computationally irreducible it's a guy

1075
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:45,839
named Stephen Wolfram who created a

1076
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:48,540
Mathematica software and he basically

1077
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,740
said to figure out what's going to

1078
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:52,200
happen in a computationally irreducible

1079
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:54,180
process you can't take a shortcut you

1080
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:56,220
have to just go do it you have to

1081
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:00,720
calculate step 999 999 in order to know

1082
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,180
what will happen at step one million uh

1083
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,800
and so the only way to know what might

1084
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:06,960
happen in these different scenarios is

1085
00:43:11,630 --> 00:43:09,420
to actually run simulations that

1086
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,640
actually play out so it gets even

1087
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:13,680
freakier because now you're thinking

1088
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:16,200
like a quantum computer quantum computer

1089
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:19,500
can explore all the possibilities of all

1090
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:22,440
the values of the bits so if you had you

1091
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:26,040
know uh 2 to the 64 possible values

1092
00:43:30,530 --> 00:43:27,720
which by the way is where no man's Sky

1093
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:30,540
got its limit of 18 quintillion planets

1094
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:33,960
it's 2 to the power 64. that basically

1095
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:35,880
in a Quantum Computing theoretically you

1096
00:43:40,010 --> 00:43:38,099
can explore all of those and you can

1097
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,020
find the one that's the best and that's

1098
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:42,240
how Quantum why Quantum Computing

1099
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:44,040
algorithms eventually may be able to

1100
00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:47,880
break encryption that we use uh because

1101
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,940
it can try out all the different

1102
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,319
passwords and keys and it can find

1103
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:55,920
instantly which one is the right one but

1104
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,680
that requires this kind of weird leap to

1105
00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:01,140
say how can you explore these

1106
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:02,520
simultaneously

1107
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,980
I mean how's that possible right well

1108
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,660
it's possible if we're in a computer

1109
00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:08,460
simulation because you just pause one

1110
00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:10,859
you run the other one and then you come

1111
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:12,599
back to this one it seems like no time

1112
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:15,839
has passed right but to us inside the

1113
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,300
simulation it looks like no time has

1114
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:20,280
passed but from the people looking at

1115
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,660
the simulation they've been running all

1116
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,920
these different simulations so it's

1117
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:24,780
possible you know all this stuff we're

1118
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,040
going through 2022 2021 2020 it's

1119
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,200
because somebody may have run it already

1120
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,119
and come up with even worse scenarios

1121
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,800
right like some I know Daniel was on

1122
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,119
last night and some of the scenarios

1123
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,400
that he had he had seen you know seemed

1124
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:40,200
even a lot worse than some of the

1125
00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:41,160
scenarios we've been through so it's

1126
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,079
possible somebody is running the

1127
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:45,119
simulation to see what scenarios happen

1128
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,619
and then saying well this one's maybe

1129
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,720
the least like with the JFK scenario

1130
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:51,359
like it okay fine he gets shot but this

1131
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:52,920
other bad stuff doesn't happen we've

1132
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:54,900
already tried that let's try and that

1133
00:44:59,089 --> 00:44:56,940
could be the source of things like the

1134
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,099
Mandela effect and that that's where I'm

1135
00:45:02,329 --> 00:45:01,140
going so let's let's stop right there

1136
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:02,339
for a second

1137
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,060
um in in The Matrix that one of my

1138
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,480
favorite scenes is the black cat right

1139
00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:11,040
and and the black cat runs through whoa

1140
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,380
whoa what happened

1141
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:14,720
okay so

1142
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:18,420
that's a situation where I think we're

1143
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:21,300
seeing a lot of black cats today where

1144
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,079
the Mandela effect although it's fun to

1145
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:27,720
talk about and contemplate and and we

1146
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:30,540
can laugh about certain things but I

1147
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,800
just I have a hard time believing that

1148
00:45:40,210 --> 00:45:37,500
billions of people have bad memories

1149
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,220
right I just I I I I I

1150
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:42,119
including myself

1151
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,520
that that includes me when I look at

1152
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:48,319
very specific things uh about the past

1153
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:51,900
where it seems like something has gone

1154
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,780
in and altered now let's go back to chat

1155
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:56,160
GPT

1156
00:46:05,150 --> 00:45:59,160
if it's if it comes to the point where

1157
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,160
chat B GPT is rewriting its own code

1158
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:08,040
right that's right and now we get into

1159
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:11,940
and and then suddenly wants to go back

1160
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,480
and and alter history

1161
00:46:19,930 --> 00:46:17,640
jumping on the net changing facts

1162
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:19,940
jumping into Wikipedia changing images

1163
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,280
creating their own images uh there's

1164
00:46:29,710 --> 00:46:26,400
eight people in JFK's car now and not

1165
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:29,720
six right or what whatever it may be

1166
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:33,240
where our memory hasn't been altered but

1167
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:36,839
what we are seeing and referring to is

1168
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,380
is different than we remember it is this

1169
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:42,420
is this the possibility that we're

1170
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:44,819
working towards well it could be because

1171
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:46,859
you know as AI gets more sophisticated

1172
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:49,500
it'll be you know more in charge of many

1173
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:50,940
of these things and I mean you've

1174
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,859
already seen that with censorship where

1175
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,660
something doesn't appear in in social

1176
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,700
media you assume it doesn't exist

1177
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,800
anymore right with the Twitter files and

1178
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:01,200
everything else but you know one of the

1179
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:03,240
things that I found when I investigated

1180
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:04,859
the Manila effect because you know at

1181
00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:07,380
first I just assumed it was you know

1182
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:08,819
just faulty memory like everybody else

1183
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:11,099
and so I was at Google near the Google

1184
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,660
headquarters in Mountain View which is

1185
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,460
where I was living and a friend of mine

1186
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:17,040
uh who's from Boston who went to MIT as

1187
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,780
well he was in town and so we were

1188
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:21,480
having coffee and I was sure in 2019

1189
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,920
when my book came out the simulation

1190
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,660
hypothesis and he said hey have you

1191
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:26,520
heard of the Mandela effect said yeah

1192
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:27,720
I've heard of it but you know maybe it's

1193
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:29,640
just faulty memory and he's like no no

1194
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,260
you should look into it the simulation

1195
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,960
is the best explanation that we can find

1196
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:35,880
for it and this wasn't the kind of guy

1197
00:47:41,089 --> 00:47:38,460
like who's on Fade to Black or listening

1198
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,099
right I was like hey this guy's at

1199
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:43,440
Google he was at MIT right he's telling

1200
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:44,700
you to look in so the more I looked in

1201
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,920
the Mandela effect the weirder I found

1202
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,780
it because even though some things might

1203
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:50,460
be a little bit of memory here and there

1204
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,160
like the line in a movie the fact that

1205
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:55,619
people remember such specifics and the

1206
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:57,240
more the closer you are to something

1207
00:48:01,550 --> 00:47:59,160
like there's a woman with a YouTube

1208
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:01,560
video who says she was going to

1209
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,300
interview Nelson Mandela because she was

1210
00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:05,280
in journalism school and she was going

1211
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,079
to go to South Africa and they said he

1212
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,119
was too sick and they didn't let her go

1213
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,060
and then later she heard he died now if

1214
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:14,160
you were gonna go visit the guy and you

1215
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,260
heard he died and now you realize he's

1216
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,480
not he wasn't dead you know until 2013

1217
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,819
in our reality and and then that's where

1218
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:22,380
he becomes weirder you start looking at

1219
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,640
the religious

1220
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,400
the Bible changes right so those are

1221
00:48:32,089 --> 00:48:28,920
things people remember word for word

1222
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:32,099
like The Lion and the lamb right and

1223
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,420
that's not there in the king's James

1224
00:48:36,829 --> 00:48:35,520
Bible so these are things that people

1225
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:36,839
take seriously like if you're a serious

1226
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,579
Evangelical you remember when the

1227
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,500
Reverend Billy Graham died whereas I

1228
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:42,480
would remember when Mark Hamill dies for

1229
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:44,819
example right and and so when I was

1230
00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:47,700
researching it in it there was a Sufi

1231
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:50,460
Imam who who talked about the Quran

1232
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:53,099
which was from like 1600 years ago they

1233
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,020
still memorize it word for word and I

1234
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:57,119
always thought that was weird but you

1235
00:49:00,770 --> 00:48:58,680
know religious people are into into into

1236
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,780
their things uh just like with the Bible

1237
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:02,400
people could know these things word for

1238
00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:05,460
word and he said the reason why is

1239
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,319
because there are entities who live

1240
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:09,420
outside of time and that that's exactly

1241
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,099
what Philip K dick said if you listen to

1242
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:13,200
the rest of his speech he said there are

1243
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:15,540
entities programmers and counter

1244
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,060
programmers who live outside of linear

1245
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:20,400
time they live in orthogonal time and so

1246
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:22,980
this this religious scholar was saying

1247
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,619
that basically the gym right which we

1248
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:28,380
call the genie they live outside of our

1249
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:30,359
time and they are allowed to go back and

1250
00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:32,940
change physical objects but they're not

1251
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:35,640
allowed to change our memories right and

1252
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:37,079
so when you think of the Mandela effect

1253
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:38,940
it gives a whole new explanation that

1254
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,619
people you can change physical things

1255
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:42,839
but you can't change memory so if you

1256
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:43,980
were happen to have been in that

1257
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,579
timeline where you know Nelson Mandela

1258
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,859
didn't die or that there was you know

1259
00:49:55,550 --> 00:49:51,839
the line in The Empire Strikes Back was

1260
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:55,560
you know was Luke I am your father which

1261
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,200
you know isn't there today and so I

1262
00:50:01,849 --> 00:50:00,359
found this whole area of the Mandela

1263
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:01,859
effect being a great way to talk about

1264
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,480
all these multiple timelines and then

1265
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,220
you have these glitches where people

1266
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:07,140
remember from the previous iteration

1267
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,700
it's like loading memory in a computer

1268
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,440
that happens all the time there's like

1269
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:12,240
what we call garbage data that needs to

1270
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:14,880
be collected garbage collection is a

1271
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,920
process and computer science that we do

1272
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,900
so so anyway that got me down a whole

1273
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:20,160
nother rabbit hole and that's what the

1274
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:22,260
simulated Multiverse is all about yeah

1275
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:23,220
and

1276
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,240
um the I mean specifically for me I'm

1277
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,280
not gonna this isn't a Mandela Effect

1278
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:30,480
Show

1279
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:31,800
but

1280
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:34,560
um when I was a kid

1281
00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:37,740
um my dad brought home cup of noodles

1282
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,720
for the first time from the supermarket

1283
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:42,060
I fell in love with it I still eat it I

1284
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:44,940
love it today but

1285
00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:49,800
it was apparently never Cup oh noodles

1286
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:52,440
it was cup noodles

1287
00:50:59,049 --> 00:50:55,140
and and so when I found this out I went

1288
00:51:03,530 --> 00:50:59,059
no no no no no no no no

1289
00:51:05,690 --> 00:51:03,540
and I go in there and and uh this turned

1290
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:05,700
out to to be something really big in in

1291
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:08,760
the Mandela effect world and I went and

1292
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:10,380
jumped in and looked at all of these

1293
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:11,540
images

1294
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,240
and I either I have completely lost my

1295
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:17,880
mind and my Fondest Memories from my

1296
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:20,940
childhood are wrong and I've been

1297
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:24,359
calling it cupo noodles my entire life I

1298
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:27,920
never said cup noodles not once ever

1299
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:32,640
right I I yeah that's that's where

1300
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:35,460
um uh other people's experiences are one

1301
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:36,900
thing I'm just talking about my own

1302
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:40,740
personal how how I look at this you know

1303
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:44,640
what what has it affected me and you

1304
00:51:49,609 --> 00:51:47,460
look at that one little instance I mean

1305
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:49,619
the um the Challenger

1306
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:53,160
right the Challenger crash the uh the

1307
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:55,859
shuttle explosion right 19 you know what

1308
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:58,559
year was it Riz I think it was 1986

1309
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:02,400
wasn't it okay I don't remember no or 87

1310
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,460
it was one of those two okay see right

1311
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:09,119
well wait a minute okay where were you

1312
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:11,940
when it happened yeah I mean I remember

1313
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,300
I was in the cafeteria in school so what

1314
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:17,280
year were you in school what in that

1315
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,420
cafeteria 84 to 88 so probably 85 to 88

1316
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:24,480
in that range I think yeah okay so

1317
00:52:29,329 --> 00:52:26,819
that's three years Riz yeah but yeah I

1318
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:29,339
don't remember the exact date okay but

1319
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:30,839
some people do right they remember the

1320
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:34,640
exactly and like I have had

1321
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,260
hundreds of emails

1322
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:39,480
um basically saying the same thing I was

1323
00:52:43,790 --> 00:52:41,339
in fourth grade science class they

1324
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,800
rolled in the TV we were watching it

1325
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:46,500
boom and it exploded and fourth grade

1326
00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:50,280
you know it was 1985 for me and you know

1327
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:52,500
or this or this or the and you know it

1328
00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:55,559
it for me it was 1985. I remember

1329
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:57,180
specifically where I was at it turned

1330
00:53:08,569 --> 00:53:03,049
what

1331
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,579
tie back to the simulation theory for a

1332
00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:10,680
second and if you were to run the same

1333
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:13,559
simulation twice it's very possible that

1334
00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:15,480
you would get similar but slightly

1335
00:53:19,069 --> 00:53:17,819
different things right because there are

1336
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:19,079
so many variables I was talking about

1337
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,720
Chaos Theory right that you would end up

1338
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,059
with you know you would end up with The

1339
00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,400
Bernstein Bears versus The Bernstein

1340
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:28,559
Bears right which is another one and it

1341
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:31,079
gets back to the proximity like how

1342
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:33,240
significant is this to you personally

1343
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,760
and if you're like a kid who asked his

1344
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:38,280
parents why are these Bears Jewish and

1345
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,980
turns out they're not in terms of the

1346
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,900
name they're actually the burns you

1347
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:44,400
think somebody would have told you that

1348
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:46,020
or mentioned it right and so you're

1349
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:48,119
closer to that so I think that's where

1350
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,440
the Mandela effect becomes interesting

1351
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:51,119
is when you're closer to something

1352
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:53,160
you're less likely to just have a faulty

1353
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,260
memory uh and then that's where with

1354
00:53:59,150 --> 00:53:57,359
simulation Theory you could just run the

1355
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:59,160
same timeline again with just a few

1356
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,740
changes and then after five ten years

1357
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:04,140
you may end up with major major changes

1358
00:54:08,809 --> 00:54:06,420
or major timeline differences our 100

1359
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,819
years down a thousand years down

1360
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,740
just like when we we play Civilization

1361
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:13,020
or we play one of these older video

1362
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,000
games we're running a simulation of Rome

1363
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:16,800
or we're running a simulation of you

1364
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,559
know of medieval times uh what would

1365
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:21,599
happen if we change this what would

1366
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:23,160
happen if you know the Spanish Armada

1367
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:25,800
was not defeated right by the British we

1368
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:26,700
would end up in a very different

1369
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:28,619
historical timeline and then

1370
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:30,540
I think Philip K dick raises the

1371
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,579
possibility and and I really explore it

1372
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,319
in the simulated Multiverse book that

1373
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,780
that may have actually happened right

1374
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,700
but then for whatever reason that's not

1375
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:40,980
the timeline that was decided to

1376
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:43,020
continue or maybe we're just on a branch

1377
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:45,000
where we're trying out things right now

1378
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:46,559
and there may end up being another

1379
00:54:51,849 --> 00:54:47,940
branch

1380
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:51,859
well in in in and to your point

1381
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,140
we can't change we can change the facts

1382
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,319
of the case right but we can't change

1383
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:01,440
our memory and I think that that is also

1384
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,780
messing with people where they are

1385
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:05,760
remembering things

1386
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:08,099
uh wrong where they're starting to doubt

1387
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,359
themselves and that's a pretty

1388
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,520
interesting play in the simulation it's

1389
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:13,200
pretty in you know you know what I mean

1390
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,680
confuse the masses and and and and tip

1391
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:19,440
the scale uh a little bit into crazy

1392
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,020
town for them that's a that's a pretty

1393
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:24,000
interesting take because I don't have

1394
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:26,339
another way to look at it you know I I

1395
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:28,020
just don't think that billions of people

1396
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,540
have faulty memories

1397
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,220
yeah and you know before the internet it

1398
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,680
was very hard for people to find each

1399
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:36,480
other who might have had a specific

1400
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:38,760
memory uh and you know even going back

1401
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,220
to 77 and Philip K Dick's speech he said

1402
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:43,920
all we would need to do is find a group

1403
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,440
of people like himself who remembers a

1404
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:47,280
different

1405
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,839
timeline well now we have that in in the

1406
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:53,760
Mandela effect and it's dismissed by

1407
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,740
most mainstream scientists and you know

1408
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:57,119
and I'm not saying every Mandela effect

1409
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:58,740
is necessarily a separate timeline I'm

1410
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,540
saying this is a great way for us to

1411
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,760
think about how these timelines might

1412
00:56:06,589 --> 00:56:05,220
evolve okay let's go into a different

1413
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:06,599
direction with this by the way the

1414
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:09,960
Berenstein Berenstain Bears I never

1415
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:14,760
heard of them until the Mandela effect

1416
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:17,460
oh that's a Mandela effect in of itself

1417
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,260
I thought man everybody's all upset the

1418
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,359
monkey with the tail or not or this is a

1419
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,000
Curious George right

1420
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,400
never I missed that boat I missed the

1421
00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:28,980
Barons team Bears Curious George I had

1422
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:32,339
no idea so that's Mandela effect you

1423
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,200
know maybe maybe I was in another

1424
00:56:40,089 --> 00:56:36,480
timeline and Berenstein Bears weren't

1425
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,099
even part of it or it didn't exist

1426
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:43,680
so could it be

1427
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:44,480
um

1428
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:47,460
uh it's a little bit of time travel

1429
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:49,800
right could it be Time Travelers us from

1430
00:56:55,490 --> 00:56:51,720
the future going to the past and

1431
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,500
changing things and it you know to fit

1432
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:57,599
what they're doing in the future and now

1433
00:57:01,849 --> 00:57:00,000
we're stuck in the middle right and

1434
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:01,859
we're seeing the effects of these

1435
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:04,980
paradoxes being messed with and and now

1436
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:07,859
we're remembering things differently but

1437
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:11,220
maybe the the past is being altered yeah

1438
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:12,660
I think that's that's another

1439
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,780
possibility to consider is and and it

1440
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:17,760
actually ties to simulation Theory as

1441
00:57:22,010 --> 00:57:19,740
well because you know if you draw out

1442
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:22,020
what would happen if you go to the

1443
00:57:26,569 --> 00:57:24,180
Future and then you go back to the path

1444
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:26,579
and you change something so now you're

1445
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,720
going to be on a slightly different

1446
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,420
trajectory right and so now you have two

1447
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:32,880
different timelines essentially you're

1448
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:36,359
changing variables uh and you know we

1449
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:38,460
don't know if time travel is totally

1450
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:40,440
possible to the Past right there are

1451
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:42,359
some theoretical ideas about wormholes

1452
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:45,540
but if we're in a simulation it wouldn't

1453
00:57:51,049 --> 00:57:47,640
be that hard to do because you just take

1454
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:51,059
a previous saved state of the simulation

1455
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,920
and you start running it at that point

1456
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:54,720
and you if you're sitting in your

1457
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:57,660
goggles right you no longer are seeing

1458
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:01,380
you know 20 23 you're going back and

1459
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:04,980
seeing 1945 and that's going back to the

1460
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:07,140
13th floor I mean they essentially had a

1461
00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:08,760
form of time travel now the question is

1462
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:12,780
are you going back to your exact past or

1463
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:15,059
as it evolved differently well if it's a

1464
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,319
computer simulation you can keep track

1465
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,000
of exactly what the past was so you can

1466
00:58:22,849 --> 00:58:19,440
go to that past and then you can start

1467
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,859
to it does start making your head spin a

1468
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:25,200
little bit actually when it sounds like

1469
00:58:28,670 --> 00:58:26,760
an episode of Doctor Who right where

1470
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:28,680
they they go back and then they come to

1471
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:30,059
the Future and Everything's changed and

1472
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,440
they go back and they change it again

1473
00:58:36,530 --> 00:58:34,020
and you experience things in out of

1474
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:36,540
order out of chronological order

1475
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,980
right there's a couple of really good

1476
00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:40,559
episodes like that yeah when we when we

1477
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:43,500
talk about uh billionaires in Silicon

1478
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:44,819
Valley

1479
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,660
and living in a simulation I would think

1480
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:50,640
that if I had all the money in the world

1481
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:53,520
I wouldn't buy an island in Fiji well

1482
00:59:00,049 --> 00:58:56,460
maybe I would but uh I would buy that

1483
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:00,059
too but I would definitely put all of my

1484
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:02,940
resources and my coders and my engineers

1485
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:06,000
and my server Farms

1486
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,079
um into the research of getting myself

1487
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:11,839
out of here

1488
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:14,520
and on to something that is going to

1489
00:59:18,829 --> 00:59:15,720
live forever

1490
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:18,839
right whether it's an Android body or or

1491
00:59:22,490 --> 00:59:21,420
anything and that if that would be the

1492
00:59:25,549 --> 00:59:22,500
case then

1493
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:25,559
that would be a simulation in of itself

1494
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:29,460
but that research is being done and if

1495
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:32,160
if you have the resources to do it why

1496
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,540
wouldn't you be doing it if you're the

1497
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:35,880
head of Google and you've got the

1498
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,119
alphabet server farm and what's their AI

1499
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,000
computer called they have three up there

1500
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,160
mind deep mind I think is uh one of

1501
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,440
those yeah okay so

1502
00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:48,960
you're You've Got Deep mind working on

1503
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:50,819
this right now

1504
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:53,940
right yeah and so you know this idea of

1505
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:55,740
being able to take consciousness

1506
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,720
and move it into silicon is interesting

1507
01:00:03,950 --> 00:59:59,599
so stage

1508
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,960
nine and Stage 10 of my road to the

1509
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,880
simulation point is about downloadable

1510
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,460
Consciousness right and so in fact

1511
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:10,740
simulation theory is taken seriously by

1512
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,059
a lot of scientists in Silicon Valley

1513
01:00:17,410 --> 01:00:14,400
people because they think that all you

1514
01:00:19,849 --> 01:00:17,420
need to do is map out all of the neurons

1515
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:19,859
and more importantly than the neurons is

1516
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,260
the connections between the neurons and

1517
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,420
so they call this the connectome right

1518
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,400
and that once you can do that that

1519
01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:28,799
Consciousness is substrate Independence

1520
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:31,619
right what that means is it can be

1521
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:33,960
running on biological Hardware which it

1522
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:36,720
is right now or it could be running on

1523
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:38,819
Silicon or some other computational

1524
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:41,220
platform so you could basically be

1525
01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:44,700
running yourself on on

1526
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,440
uh you know on a computer virtual world

1527
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,640
uh and it's kind of like if you've ever

1528
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,079
seen that Star Trek the Next Generation

1529
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:54,240
episode where they had uh Professor

1530
01:00:58,609 --> 01:00:56,220
Moriarty and Sherlock who data was

1531
01:01:00,109 --> 01:00:58,619
playing Sherlock Holmes and uh you know

1532
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:00,119
Moriarty figured out he was in a

1533
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:01,740
simulation and he wanted to come out of

1534
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:04,020
the simulation or out of the hollow deck

1535
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:05,940
in this case right and then eventually

1536
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:07,500
there was an episode called ship in a

1537
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:09,480
bottle where they convinced him he was

1538
01:01:12,530 --> 01:01:10,920
outside but he was really just in

1539
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:12,540
another simulation of the Enterprise

1540
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,420
which was the ship in the bottle and so

1541
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:17,040
you know that is very possible now I've

1542
01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:19,740
heard the stories of billionaires you

1543
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,540
know trying to look at ways to break out

1544
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,480
of the simulation uh you know I I can't

1545
01:01:28,430 --> 01:01:26,520
verify that per se although I did have

1546
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:28,440
at least one billionaire contact me

1547
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:30,900
after my book came out to ask me about

1548
01:01:35,329 --> 01:01:33,240
uh simulation but it wasn't like he was

1549
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:35,339
serious about putting money into some

1550
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,819
research related to uh this but there

1551
01:01:43,069 --> 01:01:40,559
there is some serious interest there and

1552
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:43,079
that idea of you know transhumanism it's

1553
01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:44,520
all part of the singularity right that's

1554
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:47,880
an another aspect of this idea of a

1555
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:51,240
technological singularity one is can we

1556
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:54,299
you know put AI into the brain into the

1557
01:01:57,770 --> 01:01:56,220
physical brain and then the second is

1558
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:57,780
once we do that

1559
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:00,119
there's a philosopher at NYU called

1560
01:02:06,049 --> 01:02:03,299
David Chalmers and he defined the phrase

1561
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,059
the hard problem of Consciousness and he

1562
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:09,480
gives a pretty interesting experiment uh

1563
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,460
where he says suppose you were to

1564
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:13,440
replace one of your neurons

1565
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,559
at a time with a silicon neuron right

1566
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:18,240
but just one at a time so you replace

1567
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:20,040
one are you still you are you still

1568
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:22,619
conscious yeah okay you replaced two

1569
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:24,900
still conscious he's still working

1570
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:26,700
everything's still working okay what

1571
01:02:29,650 --> 01:02:28,140
happens when you replace a trillion of

1572
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:29,660
them right

1573
01:02:38,569 --> 01:02:35,220
his point yes yes but at 50 percent

1574
01:02:41,089 --> 01:02:38,579
right you get to 50 that's the crowd

1575
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:41,099
that's that's where it gets interesting

1576
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:44,700
because now you're half and half is this

1577
01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:47,940
part of you starting to feel different

1578
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:49,740
right the physical are you feeling

1579
01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:52,619
Dumber are you not intrigued you know

1580
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:54,359
you're not thinking right

1581
01:02:59,870 --> 01:02:57,359
um is your Consciousness dissolving

1582
01:03:01,309 --> 01:02:59,880
what about the the other things that are

1583
01:03:03,289 --> 01:03:01,319
involved with you know the sense of

1584
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:03,299
smell and taste the things that cause

1585
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:06,780
emotions does this stuff go away and

1586
01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:10,440
when does it start to take over in uh on

1587
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:13,799
on the Silicon where it starts to be

1588
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:17,220
more conscious than you that 50 point

1589
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,740
and he's he's fascinating with this

1590
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,960
discussion you know and I thought about

1591
01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:23,640
that one neuron at a time that's

1592
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,079
probably how you would have to do it

1593
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:27,900
with a quantum computer it could happen

1594
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:29,940
very very quickly

1595
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,640
but what happens at 50 percent

1596
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,559
well and the other question is would it

1597
01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:36,960
still be you if you were just to upload

1598
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,299
your Consciousness onto a computer or

1599
01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:41,280
would it be you know like in the in the

1600
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:44,940
Star Trek transplorer right is it you if

1601
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:47,640
the atoms are being reconstructed is it

1602
01:03:52,370 --> 01:03:50,520
still you like there's been I think it

1603
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:52,380
was a child in China they were able to

1604
01:03:57,770 --> 01:03:55,559
teleport uh a particle they did the

1605
01:03:59,329 --> 01:03:57,780
first quantum teleportation in orbit but

1606
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:59,339
what they really teleported was not the

1607
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:00,660
physical particle

1608
01:04:04,970 --> 01:04:03,420
it was the information in that particle

1609
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:04,980
so they were able to reproduce that

1610
01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:06,540
through quantum entanglement or some

1611
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,520
other way and basically what they're

1612
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:10,319
saying is the same thing that this

1613
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:12,660
physicist John Wheeler said you know a

1614
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:14,819
while ago which was he was one of the

1615
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:16,740
most famous physicists the 20th century

1616
01:04:20,990 --> 01:04:19,380
worked with Einstein at Princeton and a

1617
01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:21,000
bunch of other people and you know he

1618
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:23,579
said that basically when they were

1619
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:24,900
looking for matter he couldn't really

1620
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:27,359
find it the only thing he found at the

1621
01:04:30,170 --> 01:04:28,799
bottom level you keep opening it up like

1622
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:30,180
those Russian nested dolls you keep

1623
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:32,099
looking for matter where is it you can't

1624
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:33,480
really find it but in the end the only

1625
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:35,940
thing you could find was a series of yes

1626
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:37,740
no questions about these these things

1627
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:39,960
called quote-unquote particles because

1628
01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:41,940
once you get down to that level nobody

1629
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:43,500
knows what these particles are and he

1630
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:45,119
said well they're just a series of bits

1631
01:04:49,089 --> 01:04:47,880
yes no questions and so he came up with

1632
01:04:53,569 --> 01:04:49,099
the phrase

1633
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:53,579
yes no on off on off as the basic unit

1634
01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:56,520
of information right right so he said it

1635
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:59,220
from bit like this physical cup that I'm

1636
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:00,780
holding or that you're drinking right

1637
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:03,359
it's made out of not of atoms but at the

1638
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,740
bottom level it's made of bits of

1639
01:05:09,170 --> 01:05:06,480
information and now with the 3D printer

1640
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:09,180
so stage six in in the road to

1641
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,040
simulation point we're already there we

1642
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:12,960
can create a 3D printer that can print

1643
01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:15,660
this object based on information now we

1644
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:17,480
can't do it yet you know with multiple

1645
01:05:22,730 --> 01:05:20,339
biological biological as well as liquids

1646
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,740
like like uh Picard did where he would

1647
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,839
go Earl Gray hot or I think it would it

1648
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:26,940
would replicate the cup and the T in the

1649
01:05:32,569 --> 01:05:28,920
cup and it would just create it for you

1650
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,579
but we're on that path wouldn't you have

1651
01:05:39,730 --> 01:05:33,839
to

1652
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:39,740
slowly

1653
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:44,160
as this is being built

1654
01:05:49,730 --> 01:05:47,640
there couldn't be two of you conscious

1655
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:49,740
at the same time

1656
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:52,559
if you're replacing the the Silicon the

1657
01:05:56,030 --> 01:05:54,660
physical neurons with silicon yeah

1658
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:56,040
there's only going to be one of you but

1659
01:06:01,130 --> 01:05:58,160
if you're simply copying the information

1660
01:06:03,609 --> 01:06:01,140
if you're able to get then it could end

1661
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:03,619
up it's like a clone right right right

1662
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:05,940
that's where you could end up with a

1663
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,160
quote that's where the simulation police

1664
01:06:13,089 --> 01:06:10,319
need to come in

1665
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:13,099
you're not you're not copying anything

1666
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:16,680
right you need to this right here the

1667
01:06:23,289 --> 01:06:21,000
physical you is going to die right you

1668
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:23,299
can do whatever you want on that chipset

1669
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:27,059
and you can go and lift driver but this

1670
01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:28,799
you can't have two

1671
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:31,020
well there's a there's a new series

1672
01:06:36,049 --> 01:06:34,260
called upload I think it's on Hulu and

1673
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:36,059
you know they show where they basically

1674
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,920
take the brain and they basically have

1675
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:39,839
to kill you to get all the information

1676
01:06:43,849 --> 01:06:42,180
and so there's only you in the virtual

1677
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,859
world at that point and there's a lot of

1678
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,839
other science fiction that touches on

1679
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,000
this point but science fiction is useful

1680
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:50,160
because it's it's sometimes the only way

1681
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:51,780
to talk about this stuff with references

1682
01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:53,460
that people will get there's a great

1683
01:06:58,190 --> 01:06:55,319
show called altered Carbon on Netflix

1684
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,200
love it and they have this thing called

1685
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,960
a sleeve and the stack the cortical

1686
01:07:04,370 --> 01:07:02,880
stack which is the information about who

1687
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:04,380
you are and you can just put it into

1688
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,940
another biological body you can

1689
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:08,160
transport to another planet from it but

1690
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:10,500
they have a rule like this this this

1691
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,420
really it's the police that you talked

1692
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:14,640
about right that you are not allowed to

1693
01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:16,380
double a sleeve I think it's called

1694
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:18,059
double yeah double sleep double sleep

1695
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:21,420
okay just be done this double sock right

1696
01:07:24,349 --> 01:07:23,220
this is the sleeve and you can't double

1697
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:24,359
sleep

1698
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,460
um that you know what was trippy about

1699
01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:28,319
altered carbon I need to take a break

1700
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:29,579
and we'll get this in and then we'll

1701
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:31,980
come right back but um

1702
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:34,619
and I know you need more coffee

1703
01:07:41,470 --> 01:07:38,160
um the same character that started off

1704
01:07:45,410 --> 01:07:41,480
on the first stack in the first show

1705
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:45,420
30 actors later right I mean it was just

1706
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:47,940
like I couldn't keep track of it it

1707
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,640
could be fascinating right it's a

1708
01:07:54,410 --> 01:07:53,039
different actor in each uh and then on

1709
01:07:57,049 --> 01:07:54,420
top of that if you think about how video

1710
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,059
games work it's even easier right you

1711
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:59,039
can just change your avatar I mean you

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01:08:02,569 --> 01:08:00,359
know if you've ever played second life

1713
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,579
or any of these multiplayer games you

1714
01:08:06,049 --> 01:08:04,079
can say okay I'm just going to change my

1715
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:06,059
avatar today and so there's a question

1716
01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:10,079
about you know identity in a virtual Sim

1717
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,539
what's the identity that you are and now

1718
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:14,160
we get into all kinds of metaphysical

1719
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,420
issues about who are you in

1720
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:17,279
Consciousness and we're back to the the

1721
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,259
big questions right

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01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:21,839
I I just love tonight it's a great show

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Jimmy church this is Fade to Black our

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01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:45,300
guest tonight rizz Verkin we're talking

1801
01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:49,679
about the simulated world and is it

1802
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:53,159
possible that we could be living in one

1803
01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:54,840
and

1804
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:56,940
um I keep going back to the point uh

1805
01:12:04,430 --> 01:12:01,440
before I bring Riz back does it matter

1806
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:04,440
does it matter I have been thinking

1807
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:07,980
about this uh since the first time I saw

1808
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:10,860
the movie Tron you know I was a teenager

1809
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:14,640
high school senior year I think

1810
01:12:22,610 --> 01:12:18,179
um and I was so excited about the cup at

1811
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:22,620
that time uh computers were still a new

1812
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,460
thing

1813
01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:25,440
but if you go back and you look at the

1814
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:27,239
the Remake was pretty good too as well

1815
01:12:34,610 --> 01:12:30,420
but if you go back and you look at uh

1816
01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:34,620
the concepts in the original movie

1817
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:38,340
um uh to programs and and who you are

1818
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:41,580
and and how you're identified and and so

1819
01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:42,719
forth

1820
01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:44,300
um in it

1821
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:47,460
the the idea

1822
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:52,320
of living on a chip in another world

1823
01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:54,420
made sense to me

1824
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:58,140
it absolutely 100 percent made sense and

1825
01:13:02,570 --> 01:13:01,320
that idea that thought has never escaped

1826
01:13:06,530 --> 01:13:02,580
me

1827
01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:06,540
um today because uh uh I'll bring in

1828
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:08,040
Rose

1829
01:13:13,729 --> 01:13:11,580
um because I've I'm a big gamer I I love

1830
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,739
uh to play video games I don't do it as

1831
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,480
much as as I used to I don't have the

1832
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:18,480
time but I used to invest a lot of

1833
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:20,040
energy

1834
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:24,300
um in into this and which includes if we

1835
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:28,140
go back uh to the origins of some of the

1836
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:32,580
uh AR games I I can go back to I I

1837
01:13:39,890 --> 01:13:36,780
thought the 2D stuff you know it was all

1838
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:39,900
okay but but I was very excited when

1839
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:43,520
like Doom came out right and uh and and

1840
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:47,880
Laura Croft and the first time

1841
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:50,940
um uh I saw Lara Croft being played on a

1842
01:13:55,970 --> 01:13:53,640
black and white laptop right a friend of

1843
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:55,980
mine's office and I walked in and he's I

1844
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,800
was like man what what what so

1845
01:14:05,390 --> 01:14:01,199
um I I bought that game that day I went

1846
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,400
I got it on a a PlayStation and I got

1847
01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:07,380
the PC version I was playing both

1848
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:09,780
versions of the game but

1849
01:14:17,450 --> 01:14:14,760
um I for me I was able to experience

1850
01:14:20,689 --> 01:14:17,460
what I was always thinking what Tron

1851
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:20,699
could be that now you are inside of this

1852
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:24,000
computer right you are exploring worlds

1853
01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:27,600
and and heading out and and uh having

1854
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:30,060
adventures and and stuff

1855
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:33,300
um but the the other part to this which

1856
01:14:39,169 --> 01:14:35,219
I think is very important

1857
01:14:41,209 --> 01:14:39,179
is that uh what about what about disease

1858
01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:41,219
what about sleep what about food what

1859
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:43,980
about oxygen right well if you're in

1860
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:47,820
that world excuse me

1861
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:49,980
you wouldn't necessarily need any of

1862
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:51,960
that or would you

1863
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,820
because

1864
01:14:58,010 --> 01:14:55,440
think about it

1865
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:58,020
in video games

1866
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,300
you've got to go and find your energy

1867
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,360
you've got to go find your money you've

1868
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:05,520
got to find your power you got to find

1869
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,800
your life you've got to be or your

1870
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:09,600
character dies

1871
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:14,760
right and it's the same thing that we

1872
01:15:19,370 --> 01:15:16,980
experience what we think is the real

1873
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:19,380
world right it's it's like wait a minute

1874
01:15:25,970 --> 01:15:22,560
here the similarities are are are too

1875
01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:25,980
close for me and I'm I'm going back more

1876
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,100
and more into Elon musk's comments going

1877
01:15:34,970 --> 01:15:32,159
pandemic man I'm not so sure anymore

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01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:34,980
yeah well you know as you said in video

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01:15:40,189 --> 01:15:38,040
games characters have certain rules

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01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:40,199
that they have to live by and those

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01:15:44,689 --> 01:15:42,659
rules may have to do with energy right

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01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,699
you have to rest for six hours or eight

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01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:46,400
hours before you get back your energy

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01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:48,840
and you know going all the way back you

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01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:51,060
have hit points and and you've got like

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01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:53,340
different measures of that and certain

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01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:55,320
characters have more stamina than others

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01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:57,900
so they can go for longer than others

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01:16:02,930 --> 01:16:00,000
and I feel like all of that applies

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01:16:05,149 --> 01:16:02,940
right to what I call the great

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01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:05,159
simulation which is you know the the

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01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:08,400
simulation that we all live in uh in

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01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:10,860
that we are like those characters and we

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01:16:15,649 --> 01:16:12,900
do have different story lines and we

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01:16:18,490 --> 01:16:15,659
have this different interests right we

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01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:18,500
get uh we get drawn to certain things

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01:16:23,890 --> 01:16:21,000
more than others you know there was a

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01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:23,900
book by I think it's a Malcolm Gladwell

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01:16:30,110 --> 01:16:28,440
uh who talked about uh 10

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01:16:32,450 --> 01:16:30,120
000 hours and you become an expert in

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01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:32,460
something and you know I always wondered

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01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:34,140
well why would you you know what other

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01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,820
things you want to spend 10 000 hours on

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01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:37,679
they're different right I mean you

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01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:40,020
probably spent 10 000 hours you know

1906
01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:41,640
with your show for example and I've

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01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:42,659
probably spent ten thousand hours

1908
01:16:46,189 --> 01:16:44,820
writing computer programs and I have a

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01:16:48,050 --> 01:16:46,199
friend you know they spent probably ten

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01:16:50,169 --> 01:16:48,060
thousand hours rock climbing and it's

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01:16:52,669 --> 01:16:50,179
like we all have these different

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01:16:55,130 --> 01:16:52,679
inclinations right and they put us in

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01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,140
different paths within this kind of

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01:16:59,149 --> 01:16:57,840
virtual world that keeps going so I'm a

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01:17:02,630 --> 01:16:59,159
more of the belief that we're in an

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01:17:06,169 --> 01:17:02,640
MMORPG type situation right where we are

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01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,179
the avatars uh and we do have certain

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01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:08,159
choices and we do have free will but

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01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,179
there are other people who think we're

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01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:11,520
all NPCs in which case you know it's

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01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,140
just deterministic code and then you get

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01:17:17,770 --> 01:17:15,360
back to the discussion we just had which

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01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:17,780
is can an NPC leave

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01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:20,280
the simulation

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01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:26,520
it go the other way right we know pretty

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01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,260
soon like you know Ray Kurzweil was

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01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:31,440
saying 2047 or so 2045 for the

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01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:33,480
singularity where he thinks we would be

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01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:35,580
able to upload ourselves to digital

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01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:37,020
Consciousness so from going from

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01:17:41,090 --> 01:17:39,420
biological to Silicon but can it go the

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01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:41,100
other way so this is an interesting

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01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:42,000
question

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01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,699
could it be that we're all Sims and AI

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01:17:48,169 --> 01:17:47,040
that is being trained and there's a

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01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:48,179
point at which

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01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:49,980
you get to a certain point of

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01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:52,860
Consciousness now you can go outside of

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01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:54,179
that and that's something that's been

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01:17:58,669 --> 01:17:56,219
depicted in certain science fiction like

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01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,679
even in the 13th floor at the very end

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01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,440
right and even in the middle one of the

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01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:03,840
guys leaves the 1930s who's from the

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01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:06,300
1930s and he takes over the player right

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01:18:09,890 --> 01:18:09,179
the Avatar takes over the player if you

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01:18:12,290 --> 01:18:09,900
will

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01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:12,300
uh and I think that gets back to that

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01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:14,100
question of if Consciousness is

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01:18:18,830 --> 01:18:16,500
primarily information then you could do

1950
01:18:20,689 --> 01:18:18,840
that potentially even if you're NPCs at

1951
01:18:22,970 --> 01:18:20,699
the beginning maybe this is a training

1952
01:18:25,310 --> 01:18:22,980
ground and only those NPCs who get to a

1953
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:25,320
certain point then go on to get to be

1954
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:27,480
players of their own so there are a lot

1955
01:18:31,130 --> 01:18:28,860
of different variations which is why I

1956
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:31,140
like to say this is a whole new field

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01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,080
it's an interdisciplinary field that

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01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,480
pulls in philosophy religion and that's

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01:18:40,910 --> 01:18:38,640
the title of my class that I'm teaching

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01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:40,920
this is simulation very sci-fi

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01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:43,080
technology science religion and

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01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:45,480
philosophy because it basically touches

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01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:48,540
all those things well okay so let's

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01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:51,120
let's stay right here for a second does

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01:18:56,950 --> 01:18:52,500
consciousness

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01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:56,960
exist in or outside of the physical

1967
01:19:01,370 --> 01:18:59,219
well that's the big the big question

1968
01:19:02,990 --> 01:19:01,380
right uh and I think physicists have

1969
01:19:06,590 --> 01:19:03,000
been divided on that since the beginning

1970
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:06,600
right and even now you know Max Planck

1971
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:08,760
for example one of the grandfathers of

1972
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,800
quantum physics you know said that

1973
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,199
Consciousness was fundamental matter is

1974
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,360
derivative a lot of scientists today

1975
01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:17,040
tend to be more in the materialist sense

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01:19:21,050 --> 01:19:19,260
right they were Consciousness is

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01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:21,060
derivative from the matter meaning if

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01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:22,560
you arrange all the

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01:19:27,649 --> 01:19:24,900
the neurons a certain way you will get

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01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,659
Consciousness as an emergent property

1981
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,760
out of that

1982
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:31,679
um and so this is where even with the

1983
01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:33,239
quantum indeterminacy we talk about the

1984
01:19:36,050 --> 01:19:34,739
observer effect this is where there's a

1985
01:19:39,050 --> 01:19:36,060
lot of disagreement and nobody can

1986
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:39,060
really agree what it means like does it

1987
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:40,800
take a conscious Observer or does it

1988
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:43,440
just take a measurement device right

1989
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,420
even Einstein asked well if there's a

1990
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:47,280
mouse that looks at it it's at the Moon

1991
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:48,840
sideways does that mean the moon comes

1992
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:50,940
into existence right so so they came up

1993
01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:52,860
with this other theory that says well

1994
01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:55,140
maybe we don't need Consciousness but

1995
01:19:58,729 --> 01:19:56,280
what we need

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01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,739
is all the possibilities the one where

1997
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:00,480
Schrodinger's cat is alive and is dead

1998
01:20:05,330 --> 01:20:03,420
that they both exist and now we don't

1999
01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:05,340
have to have sort of a separate thing

2000
01:20:08,990 --> 01:20:07,260
called Consciousness but then that

2001
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:09,000
basically led to the Multiverse idea

2002
01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:10,560
that's how the Multiverse idea came

2003
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,500
about in the 1960s with a student of

2004
01:20:17,930 --> 01:20:15,120
John Wheeler named Hugh Everett he came

2005
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:17,940
up with this many worlds theory for that

2006
01:20:21,649 --> 01:20:19,080
reason because they're trying to get

2007
01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:21,659
around consciousness I don't know I

2008
01:20:27,290 --> 01:20:24,060
personally tend to believe as I said

2009
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:27,300
that we are more likely to be in an

2010
01:20:32,810 --> 01:20:30,300
MMORPG which means that we should assume

2011
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:32,820
each of us is a player and Consciousness

2012
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,239
exists outside of the physical world and

2013
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:38,400
we are here uh but you know I remember

2014
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,140
like a woman a friend of mine said to me

2015
01:20:45,050 --> 01:20:42,719
once I think my husband is an NPC I said

2016
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,060
well let's hold up hold on like I

2017
01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:46,800
wouldn't necessarily assume that right

2018
01:20:50,330 --> 01:20:48,780
because it just depends on the type of

2019
01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:50,340
experience that each of you is having

2020
01:20:55,370 --> 01:20:53,100
here in this you know in this kind of

2021
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:55,380
What's called the Lila in the Hindu

2022
01:21:00,830 --> 01:20:58,620
Vedas it's like the grand play right uh

2023
01:21:02,630 --> 01:21:00,840
or what Shakespeare would call a stage

2024
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:02,640
it's in all the world's a stage and the

2025
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:04,739
men and women are merely players about a

2026
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:05,820
century ago there was a guy named

2027
01:21:10,189 --> 01:21:08,040
Yogananda he came over from India wrote

2028
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:10,199
autobiography of Yogi and he said let's

2029
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:11,940
update these old metaphors which were

2030
01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:15,900
dreams stage plays games and he said the

2031
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:18,540
world is like a movie you have a

2032
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:20,580
projector and things are being projected

2033
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:22,440
and you see all the suffering and you

2034
01:21:25,370 --> 01:21:23,880
see the stuff that happens but they're

2035
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:25,380
really actors they're not actually dead

2036
01:21:30,110 --> 01:21:27,540
those are the parts that they're playing

2037
01:21:31,790 --> 01:21:30,120
and that was a great metaphor using

2038
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:31,800
quote-unquote modern technology

2039
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:33,840
especially since everything is made of

2040
01:21:38,450 --> 01:21:36,300
light in that case right well if they

2041
01:21:39,950 --> 01:21:38,460
may not know we're alive today

2042
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:39,960
and actually this is the subject of my

2043
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:41,940
next book it's called wisdom of a yogi

2044
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:44,159
lessons for modern Seekers from from

2045
01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:46,620
yogananda's autobiography of Yogi if you

2046
01:21:50,209 --> 01:21:48,120
were alive today I think he'd say it's

2047
01:21:52,189 --> 01:21:50,219
like a a movie but we're all playing

2048
01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:52,199
characters and we can change the script

2049
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:54,140
and we can make things happen

2050
01:21:58,209 --> 01:21:56,159
interactively what does that sound like

2051
01:22:00,290 --> 01:21:58,219
it's like an interactive video game

2052
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:00,300
that's basically what it sounds like

2053
01:22:09,610 --> 01:22:06,120
well okay so this is this is where uh

2054
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:09,620
physicists have a problem though if

2055
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,880
Consciousness uh comes from chemistry

2056
01:22:21,050 --> 01:22:17,040
Right comes from the physical

2057
01:22:23,450 --> 01:22:21,060
chemical combinations and and uh matter

2058
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,460
doing its thing and that's where

2059
01:22:29,270 --> 01:22:25,920
Consciousness comes from an accumulation

2060
01:22:30,669 --> 01:22:29,280
of matter however they want to uh put

2061
01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:30,679
that together

2062
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:34,679
if you take you know ones and zeros your

2063
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,940
memories

2064
01:22:41,689 --> 01:22:38,400
out of your brain which I believe DARPA

2065
01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:41,699
is doing right now

2066
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:45,480
um and and and you store that onto a

2067
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:47,460
hard drive

2068
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:50,640
that doesn't mean that that accumulation

2069
01:22:55,610 --> 01:22:52,199
of

2070
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:55,620
particles on that hard drive is going to

2071
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:57,480
be enough to have Consciousness created

2072
01:23:01,010 --> 01:22:59,100
out of those memories

2073
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,020
right the memories may be there it's

2074
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,840
ones and zero I can see that being trans

2075
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:05,640
just electricity it's just since the

2076
01:23:11,450 --> 01:23:07,860
ones and zeros coming off uh your your

2077
01:23:13,209 --> 01:23:11,460
brain and and and onto but but that's

2078
01:23:16,910 --> 01:23:13,219
where physics

2079
01:23:19,850 --> 01:23:16,920
at a very fundamental level are wrong

2080
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:19,860
and I think that's what proves that

2081
01:23:24,189 --> 01:23:22,199
Consciousness exists outside of the

2082
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:24,199
physical

2083
01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:26,580
right so in this case you're saying the

2084
01:23:33,310 --> 01:23:29,940
ones and zeros are memories uh of things

2085
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:33,320
that are recorded and so you know it's

2086
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,580
physicists do believe I mean I think

2087
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,380
most scientists believe that eventually

2088
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:39,120
we could figure out these memories and

2089
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,460
we could figure out how to do that part

2090
01:23:45,770 --> 01:23:43,199
of it the part of it that you said which

2091
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,780
is how do you store memories the human

2092
01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:48,000
brain the human the brain computer

2093
01:23:53,390 --> 01:23:51,060
interface which I think yeah yeah Michio

2094
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:53,400
Kaku says darpa's already done it so

2095
01:23:57,050 --> 01:23:55,199
it's possible I mean I've heard of

2096
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:57,060
experiments where they've tried to put

2097
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:00,480
in false memories uh but only in rats

2098
01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:03,540
where they were you know when the rat

2099
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:05,640
goes around the maze they kind of buzz

2100
01:24:09,169 --> 01:24:07,020
it so it thinks it went that way already

2101
01:24:10,970 --> 01:24:09,179
and the cheese isn't there and they were

2102
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,980
able to show it it's possible in some

2103
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,960
top secret military project it's already

2104
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,360
there but you know this idea of

2105
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,280
recording so you know I'm an engineer

2106
01:24:22,370 --> 01:24:19,920
and computer scientist and to me I've

2107
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:22,380
always wondered if everything that we do

2108
01:24:26,570 --> 01:24:25,020
is being recorded just like in a in a

2109
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:26,580
game where you know you can sit and

2110
01:24:30,590 --> 01:24:28,739
watch like in an Esports tournament or a

2111
01:24:32,510 --> 01:24:30,600
YouTube stream you can watch what's

2112
01:24:33,890 --> 01:24:32,520
happening and what really got me

2113
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:33,900
thinking about this was was Daniel

2114
01:24:38,209 --> 01:24:36,060
Brinkley who we had on last night and

2115
01:24:40,610 --> 01:24:38,219
he'll be back and you know he he was one

2116
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:40,620
of the first people that I talked to and

2117
01:24:43,250 --> 01:24:42,420
whose book I read originally before I

2118
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,260
met him

2119
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:45,679
that talked about this holographic

2120
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:48,540
panoramic Life review right it seems

2121
01:24:53,950 --> 01:24:52,560
like wait he introduced me to you yes I

2122
01:24:58,430 --> 01:24:53,960
think he did Daniel

2123
01:25:01,310 --> 01:24:58,440
that was a long time ago but I believe

2124
01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:01,320
I believe it was uh it was Danny in that

2125
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,340
inter how weird is it you were birthed

2126
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:07,440
in the same week that's a wit that's the

2127
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,659
universe that's one of those crazy

2128
01:25:13,010 --> 01:25:11,520
coincidences or synchronicities in fact

2129
01:25:14,209 --> 01:25:13,020
I thought he might be around today so we

2130
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:14,219
could have a little conversation with

2131
01:25:17,450 --> 01:25:15,480
him online

2132
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:17,460
I'm telling you I swear I think

2133
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,360
physicists have it wrong and because

2134
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:23,760
they can't observe Consciousness right

2135
01:25:28,490 --> 01:25:26,520
because they can't measure Consciousness

2136
01:25:29,770 --> 01:25:28,500
they're not going to waste their time

2137
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:29,780
with it

2138
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:33,179
uh I think well but you know it's an

2139
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,860
interesting question because I

2140
01:25:39,890 --> 01:25:37,440
you know let me take the the other side

2141
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:39,900
for a second it's kind of part of what I

2142
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,400
do now that I'm also an academic course

2143
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,679
before I was just an entrepreneur that

2144
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:46,080
author to say Well they're not saying

2145
01:25:48,830 --> 01:25:47,219
that the memories to create

2146
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:48,840
Consciousness they're saying that the

2147
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:51,780
processing of the memories right the

2148
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:54,120
running of the program that is looking

2149
01:25:59,209 --> 01:25:55,860
at those memories and creating new

2150
01:26:02,209 --> 01:25:59,219
memories could be Consciousness like an

2151
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:02,219
emergent property that isn't necessarily

2152
01:26:07,129 --> 01:26:05,520
there like like wetness wetness is a

2153
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,139
property of water but if you look at the

2154
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:09,600
molecules of water they're not wet right

2155
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:11,460
so so where does that come from it's

2156
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:13,080
come from the interaction of these

2157
01:26:17,629 --> 01:26:15,480
molecules with each other in such a way

2158
01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:17,639
that it becomes this liquid shape you

2159
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:19,620
know I mean I tend to agree with you I

2160
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:22,020
tend to be more in the side that says

2161
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:25,560
Consciousness is not simply a matter of

2162
01:26:29,689 --> 01:26:28,260
just getting the neurons right but

2163
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:29,699
because

2164
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:32,340
I also think that everything we do and

2165
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,380
so getting back to Daniel you know the

2166
01:26:38,689 --> 01:26:36,480
holographic panoramic Life review that

2167
01:26:40,729 --> 01:26:38,699
near-death experiencers talk about you

2168
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:40,739
basically relive every single moment of

2169
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:44,040
your life and so if you do that and then

2170
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:45,360
he's not they're not the only ones

2171
01:26:48,770 --> 01:26:47,280
that's the modern equivalent you can go

2172
01:26:51,890 --> 01:26:48,780
back to the Bible and they talk about

2173
01:26:53,810 --> 01:26:51,900
the uh the book of uh The Book of Life

2174
01:26:56,090 --> 01:26:53,820
you can go back to the Quran and they

2175
01:26:57,530 --> 01:26:56,100
talk about the scroll of deeds and they

2176
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,540
they literally have Angels who write

2177
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:59,040
down all of your deeds and then you have

2178
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,780
to review them with somebody

2179
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:02,639
afterwards and you have to see the

2180
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:04,560
ripple effect well that you know that's

2181
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,120
an old metaphor they're still using the

2182
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:08,460
books metaphor right they're using the

2183
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:10,800
writing and Angels right if we were to

2184
01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:12,719
do that today we would just record

2185
01:27:16,850 --> 01:27:14,460
everything that's happening in the 3D

2186
01:27:19,070 --> 01:27:16,860
world uh we would just have a process

2187
01:27:21,770 --> 01:27:19,080
it's called the Damon which is named

2188
01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:21,780
after the Greek term uh that basically

2189
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:23,400
runs all the time and records everything

2190
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:25,440
and stores it to the cloud so that it

2191
01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:27,780
could be replayed so if you believe that

2192
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:29,460
this stuff can be replayed then it must

2193
01:27:33,950 --> 01:27:32,400
be recorded somewhere already right so

2194
01:27:35,930 --> 01:27:33,960
it's not maybe not even just a member

2195
01:27:37,930 --> 01:27:35,940
question of our memories it's the the

2196
01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:37,940
collective memory of this particular

2197
01:27:43,790 --> 01:27:41,340
timeline and of the specific players

2198
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:43,800
that are in the timeline and so yeah I

2199
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:45,800
think that if you can review that later

2200
01:27:51,250 --> 01:27:49,020
it's the reviewer is the conscious part

2201
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:51,260
right not the actual memories themselves

2202
01:27:57,050 --> 01:27:54,120
uh but it's an ongoing debate you know

2203
01:27:59,209 --> 01:27:57,060
within within science and it's one that

2204
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,219
it's like the big question right

2205
01:28:05,689 --> 01:28:01,440
I think in religion and science yeah

2206
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,699
well again you know they uh uh

2207
01:28:22,430 --> 01:28:07,440
the

2208
01:28:24,350 --> 01:28:22,440
probabilities and working this thing out

2209
01:28:27,169 --> 01:28:24,360
and and getting to the answer at the end

2210
01:28:29,930 --> 01:28:27,179
and then repeating it right right they

2211
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:29,940
can't do any of that when it comes to

2212
01:28:35,450 --> 01:28:32,760
Consciousness has outsmarted them right

2213
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:35,460
but they know right it's completely

2214
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:38,400
outsmarted them but they know they talk

2215
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:41,340
they laugh and they enjoy

2216
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:44,400
Mexican food right they know that they

2217
01:28:49,729 --> 01:28:47,580
have emotions and and that's what makes

2218
01:28:51,709 --> 01:28:49,739
you know one person different from

2219
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:51,719
another they know all of these things

2220
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:54,120
but they're in a complete uh state of

2221
01:29:00,110 --> 01:28:57,840
denial uh of of Consciousness but I

2222
01:29:02,450 --> 01:29:00,120
think I I believe that the two are are

2223
01:29:05,090 --> 01:29:02,460
going to collide I think that the

2224
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:05,100
conscious community and and and all of

2225
01:29:13,129 --> 01:29:09,900
that The Fringe stuff and uh and and the

2226
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:13,139
world of physics is is is is on its way

2227
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:16,380
to a a collision it's a two-train

2228
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:19,260
towards each other well you know there's

2229
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:21,120
a bad habit I think in science of

2230
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:24,300
ignoring anomalies right uh and uh

2231
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,800
they're always if something doesn't

2232
01:29:29,870 --> 01:29:28,080
quite fit you know they kind of ignore

2233
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:29,880
it or just say well that's just not

2234
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,920
reliable evidence right and I mean

2235
01:29:35,330 --> 01:29:33,360
there's there's plenty of potential

2236
01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:35,340
evidence around things like people

2237
01:29:39,290 --> 01:29:37,500
remembering past life memories even with

2238
01:29:41,870 --> 01:29:39,300
near-death experiences that

2239
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,880
Consciousness continues on for for some

2240
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:43,920
period of time even while the brain is

2241
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:46,800
is physically dead and so so there is

2242
01:29:52,250 --> 01:29:49,800
evidence but it's almost like we put

2243
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,260
ourselves on a pedestal I think and and

2244
01:29:55,850 --> 01:29:54,239
we think I caught the tyranny of the

2245
01:29:57,709 --> 01:29:55,860
present and I think that's a term that

2246
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,719
actually Alan heineck Jay on heinek

2247
01:30:02,209 --> 01:29:59,040
might have used something very similar

2248
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:02,219
in one of his books uh where he talked

2249
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:04,980
about we think that our science is the

2250
01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:07,620
best science there right because he was

2251
01:30:10,669 --> 01:30:09,060
saying this in the 20th century he said

2252
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:10,679
because it's so much better than 19th

2253
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:12,420
century science or 18th century science

2254
01:30:18,290 --> 01:30:15,840
but we forget that there will be a 30th

2255
01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:18,300
Century science at a 35th Century

2256
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:20,760
science which will be a lot more

2257
01:30:24,010 --> 01:30:22,260
expansive and so I think there are just

2258
01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:24,020
a lot of fundamental

2259
01:30:29,330 --> 01:30:27,300
aspects of the world that get swept

2260
01:30:31,310 --> 01:30:29,340
under a rug because they don't fit into

2261
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:31,320
our theories and so we've built up this

2262
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:34,080
entire scientific infrastructure that is

2263
01:30:39,350 --> 01:30:37,199
built on where we're gonna you know use

2264
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:39,360
what was before and it's very difficult

2265
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:42,360
to get people out of that that mindset

2266
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,880
and so scientists are people so science

2267
01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:46,800
is actually a social activity this is

2268
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,560
part of what my my PhD is on is that the

2269
01:30:54,050 --> 01:30:52,080
sociology of science scientists think a

2270
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,060
certain way and so one of the one of the

2271
01:30:59,450 --> 01:30:56,159
research projects that I'm doing that I

2272
01:31:03,530 --> 01:30:59,460
started within my doctoral program is

2273
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,540
about UFOs in Academia and it touches on

2274
01:31:06,649 --> 01:31:04,800
the same issue I think that you're

2275
01:31:09,229 --> 01:31:06,659
talking about with Consciousness right

2276
01:31:11,290 --> 01:31:09,239
and it's it's I'm not studying what UFOs

2277
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,300
are we can go we can spend a lot of time

2278
01:31:14,990 --> 01:31:13,440
going through theories of what we think

2279
01:31:16,669 --> 01:31:15,000
they are right and I'm sure you've done

2280
01:31:20,090 --> 01:31:16,679
a lot of that but what I'm actually

2281
01:31:23,629 --> 01:31:20,100
studying is how have people in Academia

2282
01:31:25,970 --> 01:31:23,639
reacted to this idea of UFOs and so I'm

2283
01:31:28,129 --> 01:31:25,980
interviewing people like Avi Loeb people

2284
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:28,139
like Kevin knuth and a bunch of others

2285
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,760
who may don't maybe don't want to be

2286
01:31:33,229 --> 01:31:31,199
identified

2287
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:33,239
um about the attitudes that other

2288
01:31:37,970 --> 01:31:36,420
scientists had towards them and you know

2289
01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:37,980
some of them said well basically they

2290
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:40,500
thought I was crazy right but others

2291
01:31:44,209 --> 01:31:42,300
said when you talk to them one-on-one

2292
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:44,219
and you explain you know you show like

2293
01:31:47,810 --> 01:31:46,860
the Nimitz incident or you know some of

2294
01:31:50,510 --> 01:31:47,820
these things that have happened around

2295
01:31:52,189 --> 01:31:50,520
the nuclear uh you know the nuclear

2296
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:52,199
sites where you go back to the original

2297
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:54,239
reports and you look behind the content

2298
01:31:57,950 --> 01:31:55,440
report or you look at some of the

2299
01:31:59,870 --> 01:31:57,960
heineck stuff that individual scientists

2300
01:32:02,629 --> 01:31:59,880
are actually pretty open

2301
01:32:05,629 --> 01:32:02,639
uh not all of them but some of them are

2302
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,639
they're they're they're they're open to

2303
01:32:09,530 --> 01:32:07,199
the idea they just don't have enough

2304
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:09,540
information or enough data but then

2305
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:11,159
there's others who just get very

2306
01:32:14,570 --> 01:32:13,080
defensive and say no that can't be true

2307
01:32:17,570 --> 01:32:14,580
you know what you're talking about and

2308
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:17,580
so you see it's like the social dilemma

2309
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:19,679
in a way where everybody is supposed to

2310
01:32:24,649 --> 01:32:22,920
act a certain way right and so they

2311
01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:24,659
might say in private that they're open

2312
01:32:28,510 --> 01:32:26,340
to it but they're never going to say

2313
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:28,520
that in public

2314
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:30,080
it's

2315
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:32,580
that's exactly the Consciousness

2316
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:34,020
conversation

2317
01:32:38,810 --> 01:32:36,480
they don't want to

2318
01:32:42,189 --> 01:32:38,820
no no they're they're waiting for

2319
01:32:44,689 --> 01:32:42,199
somebody else to talk about it first

2320
01:32:46,669 --> 01:32:44,699
they're not going to go there

2321
01:32:50,450 --> 01:32:46,679
um I remember

2322
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:50,460
um uh uh Richard Dawkins right he's on

2323
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:54,480
stage and he actually said this right

2324
01:33:00,410 --> 01:32:57,840
now right Mr smartest dude in the world

2325
01:33:02,570 --> 01:33:00,420
atheist there's nothing you know that

2326
01:33:04,430 --> 01:33:02,580
that's it you know you die it's over and

2327
01:33:07,790 --> 01:33:04,440
and whatever

2328
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:07,800
um okay but yet

2329
01:33:13,790 --> 01:33:12,120
he's afraid of ghosts and haunted houses

2330
01:33:17,390 --> 01:33:13,800
it's like wait a minute wait you can't

2331
01:33:19,310 --> 01:33:17,400
wait man and he said he said dude I will

2332
01:33:22,970 --> 01:33:19,320
not go into a haunted house wait a

2333
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:22,980
minute either either you can't have it

2334
01:33:28,669 --> 01:33:25,679
both ways man you know

2335
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:28,679
and and I think that is is the

2336
01:33:34,010 --> 01:33:31,500
conversation that I think uh some uh

2337
01:33:35,810 --> 01:33:34,020
Sean Carroll I I've quoted him on this

2338
01:33:39,530 --> 01:33:35,820
so many times

2339
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:39,540
um he does uh uh he does an AMA every

2340
01:33:45,649 --> 01:33:43,440
month right so uh this a year ago two

2341
01:33:47,750 --> 01:33:45,659
years ago and I'm listening I I listened

2342
01:33:49,370 --> 01:33:47,760
to him a lot he pisses me off a lot too

2343
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:49,380
as well

2344
01:33:57,050 --> 01:33:52,400
um I read all those books and me too

2345
01:33:58,850 --> 01:33:57,060
and we communicate and things but um but

2346
01:34:03,709 --> 01:33:58,860
anyway

2347
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:03,719
question comes in in the AMA so uh do

2348
01:34:07,310 --> 01:34:05,520
you I think I think that's what it was

2349
01:34:08,689 --> 01:34:07,320
do you believe in ghosts or you know

2350
01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:08,699
something like that right along those

2351
01:34:16,970 --> 01:34:13,380
lines and uh and he says

2352
01:34:21,649 --> 01:34:16,980
I don't have time to think about things

2353
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:23,629
right

2354
01:34:30,649 --> 01:34:28,320
now he can't and he is Towing the the

2355
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:30,659
line right he's Towing the community

2356
01:34:34,250 --> 01:34:32,159
line that you're talking about right

2357
01:34:36,050 --> 01:34:34,260
there he can't go there he can't even

2358
01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:36,060
suggest

2359
01:34:39,890 --> 01:34:38,639
right right and there's and there's a

2360
01:34:42,110 --> 01:34:39,900
stigma and so that's what I've been

2361
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:42,120
researching and so you know I was

2362
01:34:46,850 --> 01:34:43,440
talking with uh

2363
01:34:48,530 --> 01:34:46,860
uh you know with a scientist who said uh

2364
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,540
well no there's no way I would have like

2365
01:34:51,530 --> 01:34:50,159
said I'm interested in this stuff before

2366
01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:51,540
I got tenure

2367
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,340
I said well why not were you interested

2368
01:34:56,510 --> 01:34:55,199
in stuff yeah but I wouldn't have said

2369
01:34:59,090 --> 01:34:56,520
it because then I might not have gotten

2370
01:35:01,790 --> 01:34:59,100
tenure right and so you know the younger

2371
01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:01,800
the scientists the more career risk

2372
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,719
there is uh and you know this is

2373
01:35:07,550 --> 01:35:05,520
something that avi avi lope at Harvard

2374
01:35:09,950 --> 01:35:07,560
the Galileo project where I'm an advisor

2375
01:35:12,050 --> 01:35:09,960
you know a part of the way he's trying

2376
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:12,060
to break through the stigma because he's

2377
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:15,000
gotten a lot of it right with and saying

2378
01:35:19,070 --> 01:35:16,560
it was uh it could have been an

2379
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:19,080
extraterrestrial uh craft oh he said it

2380
01:35:24,590 --> 01:35:22,920
no breathe yeah I said it was

2381
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:24,600
extraterrestrial

2382
01:35:29,209 --> 01:35:27,360
but then he's had folks who you know who

2383
01:35:31,490 --> 01:35:29,219
basically are writing articles writing

2384
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,500
about this comment and he's like well

2385
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:33,360
wait we don't know that it was a comment

2386
01:35:37,729 --> 01:35:36,000
it doesn't fit the data of a comment

2387
01:35:38,930 --> 01:35:37,739
you know and and this other scientist

2388
01:35:41,930 --> 01:35:38,940
who's an astronomer and turns out

2389
01:35:44,209 --> 01:35:41,940
astronomers are among you know the

2390
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,219
biggest opponents of things like UFOs

2391
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:46,560
right uh and so I've been trying to

2392
01:35:51,530 --> 01:35:48,480
figure out why by interviewing different

2393
01:35:54,649 --> 01:35:51,540
scientists and part of it comes down to

2394
01:35:57,530 --> 01:35:54,659
the stigma but also there's this process

2395
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:57,540
that there's a boundary in signs called

2396
01:36:02,990 --> 01:36:00,239
boundary work and it's not always well

2397
01:36:05,330 --> 01:36:03,000
defined like UFOs are kind of near that

2398
01:36:06,890 --> 01:36:05,340
boundary now where there are some

2399
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:06,900
scientists are starting to get seriously

2400
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:10,320
more openly and maybe in 30 years or 20

2401
01:36:15,410 --> 01:36:12,719
years or 10 years or five years it'll be

2402
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:15,420
a more serious subject but abductions

2403
01:36:19,790 --> 01:36:18,239
aren't they're like way over here we're

2404
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:19,800
not even going to touch that right no no

2405
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:22,800
no talk to Avi about that he was like no

2406
01:36:28,729 --> 01:36:26,000
one step at a time there little brother

2407
01:36:31,370 --> 01:36:28,739
guys I think what happened is that they

2408
01:36:33,290 --> 01:36:31,380
they had a lot of resistance and people

2409
01:36:35,090 --> 01:36:33,300
made fun of them for believing in Aliens

2410
01:36:37,370 --> 01:36:35,100
and so it's like they fought this battle

2411
01:36:38,750 --> 01:36:37,380
to get up the hill and now they're on

2412
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:38,760
the hill they're getting funding and

2413
01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:41,040
radio telescopes are getting funded you

2414
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,600
know they don't want to jeopardize that

2415
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:44,400
by bringing in something else that looks

2416
01:36:47,990 --> 01:36:46,080
funny and so they'll turn around and

2417
01:36:50,990 --> 01:36:48,000
make fun of the people of the UFO

2418
01:36:53,990 --> 01:36:51,000
Community it's like a weird it's a

2419
01:36:56,350 --> 01:36:54,000
social Dynamic more than it is a

2420
01:37:00,530 --> 01:36:56,360
scientific one right

2421
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:00,540
but here's uh here's I I think here's

2422
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,760
the major point in the shift

2423
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:04,560
and the reason why it's happened so

2424
01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:08,940
quickly between 1995 and now in 2023

2425
01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:11,400
1995

2426
01:37:18,729 --> 01:37:13,800
and one acts of the first exoplanet was

2427
01:37:22,910 --> 01:37:18,739
discovered but until then up until then

2428
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:22,920
Galileo Stone Age man up until 1995. it

2429
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:25,440
was a big question mark is there stuff

2430
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:27,780
outside of our solar system well we just

2431
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:30,960
don't know now every scientist every

2432
01:37:35,090 --> 01:37:33,360
astronomer every astrophysicist

2433
01:37:38,330 --> 01:37:35,100
everybody in the scientific Community

2434
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,340
now knows that every single star in the

2435
01:37:43,850 --> 01:37:41,040
sky every single star in the Milky Way

2436
01:37:45,709 --> 01:37:43,860
every single star in the universe has at

2437
01:37:48,649 --> 01:37:45,719
least one planet

2438
01:37:51,890 --> 01:37:48,659
now they understand the numbers right

2439
01:37:54,590 --> 01:37:51,900
and you know and so they know that

2440
01:37:57,410 --> 01:37:54,600
there's a at least a trillion planets in

2441
01:38:02,810 --> 01:37:57,420
our Milky Way right where just 20 years

2442
01:38:03,890 --> 01:38:02,820
ago there was five right right yeah

2443
01:38:05,810 --> 01:38:03,900
right

2444
01:38:10,250 --> 01:38:05,820
um so they understand now that it's a

2445
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,260
numbers game and uh what what comes off

2446
01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:12,960
of that is there has to be an infinite

2447
01:38:19,370 --> 01:38:15,239
amount of intelligent life not a

2448
01:38:21,229 --> 01:38:19,380
question of if there is it's and there's

2449
01:38:23,810 --> 01:38:21,239
a hell of a lot of it I don't think

2450
01:38:25,970 --> 01:38:23,820
Fermi would would have a problem with

2451
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:25,980
the Paradox today I don't even think he

2452
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,880
would say what he said in 1953

2453
01:38:32,510 --> 01:38:31,199
well I mean when you talk to people in

2454
01:38:37,550 --> 01:38:32,520
the scientific Community they still have

2455
01:38:40,010 --> 01:38:37,560
this Fermi Paradox idea which is okay if

2456
01:38:41,390 --> 01:38:40,020
they would be here now where are they

2457
01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:41,400
right and of course they haven't done

2458
01:38:44,590 --> 01:38:43,860
the research on UFOs now that's not to

2459
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:44,600
say

2460
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:46,739
in a certain way though if you think

2461
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:49,199
about how science is done we have a

2462
01:38:53,330 --> 01:38:50,880
model and we try to fit everything into

2463
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,340
that model and so there's a famous case

2464
01:38:58,129 --> 01:38:56,159
of meteors falling from the sky right

2465
01:39:00,470 --> 01:38:58,139
scientists said those stories are

2466
01:39:02,930 --> 01:39:00,480
ridiculous they're anecdotal a bunch of

2467
01:39:04,370 --> 01:39:02,940
yahoos out in the countryside peasants

2468
01:39:06,530 --> 01:39:04,380
saying they sell rocks falling for those

2469
01:39:08,689 --> 01:39:06,540
guys we know that's not the case because

2470
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,699
there are no rocks in the sky right our

2471
01:39:13,010 --> 01:39:10,560
model of the universe doesn't allow for

2472
01:39:15,790 --> 01:39:13,020
that well that started to change I think

2473
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:15,800
it was like 1806 when they had the farm

2474
01:39:20,810 --> 01:39:18,780
yeah yeah the fragments them and So

2475
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:20,820
eventually the scientific Community had

2476
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:22,380
to catch on and they had to upgrade the

2477
01:39:26,570 --> 01:39:24,120
model and now when we talked about

2478
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:26,580
aliens 100 years ago we talked about

2479
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:28,320
Little Green Men from Mars right that's

2480
01:39:32,450 --> 01:39:30,900
still a term that's used today why well

2481
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:32,460
we know there's a planet called Mars so

2482
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,280
we were trying to fit this idea into our

2483
01:39:38,990 --> 01:39:37,199
knowledge of the universe and so even

2484
01:39:42,110 --> 01:39:39,000
today the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

2485
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:42,120
and UFOs is still a very hidden Paradigm

2486
01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:43,440
even though most scientists consider it

2487
01:39:48,290 --> 01:39:45,420
out of Paradigm it's actually a pretty

2488
01:39:50,330 --> 01:39:48,300
in Paradigm uh explanation because we

2489
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:50,340
know there are planets on in other solar

2490
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,340
systems now therefore it would fit well

2491
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:54,960
if they were in those and they would

2492
01:39:58,910 --> 01:39:56,580
come here but then there's all the

2493
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:58,920
weirdness and the strangeness that you

2494
01:40:02,990 --> 01:40:00,780
get into where people see things and

2495
01:40:04,850 --> 01:40:03,000
other people don't see things and that's

2496
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:04,860
where you know there are weirder

2497
01:40:09,229 --> 01:40:06,239
explanations like if we're in a

2498
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:09,239
simulation right it's pretty easy to to

2499
01:40:13,370 --> 01:40:11,100
like Jacques valet told me about it in

2500
01:40:16,010 --> 01:40:13,380
instances where they said there was this

2501
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,020
UFO coming at 45 degrees and it landed

2502
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,480
and there's some physical evidence there

2503
01:40:22,550 --> 01:40:20,639
on the ground or at least some you know

2504
01:40:24,770 --> 01:40:22,560
rough or some something on the ground

2505
01:40:27,530 --> 01:40:24,780
that indicates something was there and

2506
01:40:28,910 --> 01:40:27,540
he said well if it came at 45 degrees

2507
01:40:31,390 --> 01:40:28,920
the UFO would have had to go through

2508
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,400
these huge redwood trees right

2509
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:34,080
obviously they're not caught so how the

2510
01:40:36,410 --> 01:40:35,280
hell did that happen and they said well

2511
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,420
we didn't mention that because then we

2512
01:40:39,649 --> 01:40:37,920
thought crazy

2513
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:39,659
and so there you know there's these

2514
01:40:43,729 --> 01:40:42,900
other aspects of UFOs that make it seem

2515
01:40:46,189 --> 01:40:43,739
like

2516
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,199
almost as if they're being rendered here

2517
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:47,760
right in a video game like in a video

2518
01:40:50,750 --> 01:40:49,320
game you can walk through walls you can

2519
01:40:53,390 --> 01:40:50,760
have objects that go to other objects

2520
01:40:55,310 --> 01:40:53,400
and then once they're fully rendered

2521
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,320
at that point they're part of the

2522
01:40:59,450 --> 01:40:56,880
rendered world and they obey all the

2523
01:41:02,330 --> 01:40:59,460
physical laws and you can't your avatar

2524
01:41:05,149 --> 01:41:02,340
can't walk through the UFO that's been

2525
01:41:07,310 --> 01:41:05,159
rendered and then you know joking and

2526
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:07,320
Gary Gary Nolan talk about cases where

2527
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,000
one person sees the UFO and the other

2528
01:41:12,649 --> 01:41:11,280
person doesn't and so what's that all

2529
01:41:15,290 --> 01:41:12,659
about and so there are these I think

2530
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,300
weirder explanations that that even

2531
01:41:18,530 --> 01:41:17,040
science in the media isn't willing to

2532
01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:18,540
consider like I had guys on the

2533
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:20,100
Discovery Channel tell me no no don't

2534
01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:21,360
talk about this weird stuff we just want

2535
01:41:26,090 --> 01:41:23,940
to talk about aliens or ordinary stuff

2536
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:26,100
that's it it's just those two you know

2537
01:41:30,530 --> 01:41:27,780
those two possibilities and amazing

2538
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:30,540
possibilities there oh okay okay so and

2539
01:41:36,890 --> 01:41:34,080
here's the thing with that where I will

2540
01:41:40,729 --> 01:41:36,900
look at a physicist as a theoretical

2541
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,739
some Brainiac some rock star physicists

2542
01:41:46,669 --> 01:41:42,960
and they want to argue with me about

2543
01:41:50,410 --> 01:41:46,679
UFOs right okay but yeah the same breath

2544
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:50,420
they will tell me if I look at something

2545
01:41:54,930 --> 01:41:53,040
I can change it

2546
01:41:58,490 --> 01:41:54,940
it's like wait a minute

2547
01:42:01,790 --> 01:41:58,500
[Laughter]

2548
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:01,800
tell me that UFOs aren't real but if I

2549
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:06,420
look at something I can change it wait

2550
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:07,520
wait wait

2551
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:11,420
stop that's weirder than that right

2552
01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:14,940
way weird and so

2553
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,760
um the the concepts of faster than light

2554
01:42:24,109 --> 01:42:20,159
travel or folding and betting space or

2555
01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:24,119
the Multiverse and and uh 11 dimensions

2556
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,040
and all of these things that they are

2557
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:29,280
doing everything they can to make the

2558
01:42:36,169 --> 01:42:33,600
math fit this crazy crazy science

2559
01:42:39,649 --> 01:42:36,179
fiction talk right but that's what they

2560
01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:39,659
do but yet UFOs are off the table ghosts

2561
01:42:43,729 --> 01:42:41,699
are off the table the afterlife is off

2562
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:43,739
the table Consciousness is off the table

2563
01:42:49,270 --> 01:42:47,760
all these but but if I look at something

2564
01:42:54,410 --> 01:42:49,280
right

2565
01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:54,420
paradigm that's accepted today but even

2566
01:42:58,970 --> 01:42:56,460
that wasn't right when it first came out

2567
01:43:01,129 --> 01:42:58,980
that was considered ridiculous yes yes

2568
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:01,139
you brought up Schrodinger's cat right

2569
01:43:10,189 --> 01:43:07,260
so to convince me that this is sound and

2570
01:43:12,830 --> 01:43:10,199
it it is I I get it but to to convince

2571
01:43:15,410 --> 01:43:12,840
me uh if you've never heard of that

2572
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:15,420
before right to convince me that this is

2573
01:43:20,810 --> 01:43:18,480
sound scientific work

2574
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,820
dude you're out of your mind yeah what

2575
01:43:25,550 --> 01:43:22,800
even schroederer invented this to say

2576
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:25,560
this is ridiculous right he said what

2577
01:43:30,109 --> 01:43:27,719
you can't have a cat that's but then you

2578
01:43:32,990 --> 01:43:30,119
know that's what his equations actually

2579
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:33,000
apply have to fit right right and he

2580
01:43:36,530 --> 01:43:35,280
also said something else in the 1940s

2581
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,540
which not a lot of people know about

2582
01:43:41,689 --> 01:43:39,119
which is a it's a kind of a precursor to

2583
01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:41,699
the Multiverse theory he said that there

2584
01:43:46,370 --> 01:43:44,040
are multiple simultaneous histories okay

2585
01:43:49,070 --> 01:43:46,380
so now we're going back to Philip K dick

2586
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:49,080
and then Irwin Schrodinger right two

2587
01:43:54,109 --> 01:43:51,420
different like science fiction and Uber

2588
01:43:55,250 --> 01:43:54,119
scientists right and he said we choose

2589
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:55,260
one of those

2590
01:43:58,010 --> 01:43:56,580
so it's not like you're just choosing

2591
01:43:59,330 --> 01:43:58,020
whether the cat is alive or dead you're

2592
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,340
choosing whether the cat came from the

2593
01:44:03,229 --> 01:44:01,679
kitchen or came from outside and you're

2594
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:03,239
also choosing what happened you know

2595
01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:05,400
before that which gets back to this idea

2596
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:08,820
of the Mandela effect that perhaps it's

2597
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,380
easy for us to think of multiple Futures

2598
01:44:14,689 --> 01:44:12,239
there are multiple possible features I

2599
01:44:16,490 --> 01:44:14,699
mean easier anyway right I'm going to

2600
01:44:18,890 --> 01:44:16,500
choose one of them but how about if

2601
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:18,900
there are multiple possible pasts and

2602
01:44:22,609 --> 01:44:20,400
every time there's an observation we're

2603
01:44:25,310 --> 01:44:22,619
actually choosing that also kind of

2604
01:44:27,050 --> 01:44:25,320
follows and it's just really weird but

2605
01:44:28,430 --> 01:44:27,060
but so I've been asking people why why

2606
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:28,440
is it that certain things are off the

2607
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,159
table like UFOs or ghosts and other

2608
01:44:38,209 --> 01:44:35,600
things like dark matter like 95 of the

2609
01:44:39,770 --> 01:44:38,219
dog that's like the most ridiculous

2610
01:44:41,149 --> 01:44:39,780
Theory it basically says we don't know

2611
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:41,159
what the hell we're talking about right

2612
01:44:45,950 --> 01:44:43,860
if you don't know what 95 of the matter

2613
01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:45,960
is that we really don't know much we

2614
01:44:50,689 --> 01:44:48,300
know maybe what five percent is but why

2615
01:44:52,129 --> 01:44:50,699
and and you know answers I've gotten and

2616
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:52,139
so on this is an ongoing research

2617
01:44:55,370 --> 01:44:54,060
project I'm going to be doing it and so

2618
01:44:56,990 --> 01:44:55,380
hopefully I'll get more answers but the

2619
01:44:59,450 --> 01:44:57,000
answers I've gotten so far are there's a

2620
01:45:01,250 --> 01:44:59,460
real stigma people are worried about

2621
01:45:03,229 --> 01:45:01,260
their career

2622
01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:03,239
um you know I've even told me he had a

2623
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:05,100
student write a paper with him who then

2624
01:45:10,189 --> 01:45:08,400
you know was worried even though it's

2625
01:45:11,930 --> 01:45:10,199
totally behind the paper and believed

2626
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:11,940
everything in the paper that it was

2627
01:45:17,209 --> 01:45:13,920
going to affect his ability to get a job

2628
01:45:18,890 --> 01:45:17,219
in Academia right and and so and I've

2629
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:18,900
heard that from other people as well one

2630
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:21,119
professor said to me I wouldn't have a

2631
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:23,280
PhD student working on UFOs because I

2632
01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:24,480
don't want to ruin their career how the

2633
01:45:28,669 --> 01:45:26,760
hell are you doing it right well I can

2634
01:45:31,090 --> 01:45:28,679
do it I don't really give a [\h__\h] that's

2635
01:45:40,090 --> 01:45:36,169
but it is it for me when

2636
01:45:43,010 --> 01:45:40,100
um uh we look at just a couple

2637
01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:43,020
the basic of the basics I'm talking

2638
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,699
about let's strip this down to the

2639
01:45:48,649 --> 01:45:46,320
fundamentals

2640
01:45:52,010 --> 01:45:48,659
rizz there's only so many particles

2641
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:52,020
that's it right same particles on the

2642
01:45:55,790 --> 01:45:53,280
other side of the universe that we have

2643
01:45:58,910 --> 01:45:55,800
here there isn't anything different same

2644
01:46:01,790 --> 01:45:58,920
gases same ever the same dust right it's

2645
01:46:06,410 --> 01:46:01,800
the same stuff and particles only

2646
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:06,420
combine so many ways that's it they

2647
01:46:13,729 --> 01:46:10,320
don't combine infinitely right it's a

2648
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:13,739
very fixed State and and we understand

2649
01:46:21,410 --> 01:46:17,100
that so therefore

2650
01:46:23,209 --> 01:46:21,420
um uh a couple of you know John Wheeler

2651
01:46:25,689 --> 01:46:23,219
talked about this uh quite a bit too as

2652
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:25,699
well and and I I like his views on this

2653
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:28,080
in that

2654
01:46:34,450 --> 01:46:32,239
if everything replicates

2655
01:46:39,050 --> 01:46:34,460
identically

2656
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:39,060
there is it's just it's a numbers game

2657
01:46:43,790 --> 01:46:41,520
if you take a deck of cards and you've

2658
01:46:45,890 --> 01:46:43,800
got five people sitting at a poker table

2659
01:46:48,370 --> 01:46:45,900
and Shuffle the deck and you deal the

2660
01:46:50,570 --> 01:46:48,380
cards everybody looks at their hand

2661
01:46:52,189 --> 01:46:50,580
eventually you're going to shuffle that

2662
01:46:53,930 --> 01:46:52,199
deck and you're gonna deal out to fight

2663
01:46:56,689 --> 01:46:53,940
and you are going to deal out five

2664
01:47:01,370 --> 01:46:56,699
identical hands it may take a million

2665
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:01,380
hands it may take two but it will

2666
01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:03,840
eventually happen and it's the same

2667
01:47:10,370 --> 01:47:07,320
thing with particles therefore this

2668
01:47:11,290 --> 01:47:10,380
planet Earth and the universe is a big

2669
01:47:14,990 --> 01:47:11,300
place

2670
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:15,000
is that that's part it's a game

2671
01:47:20,350 --> 01:47:16,440
it's

2672
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:20,360
out there a million times us

2673
01:47:28,370 --> 01:47:24,080
identical not not close

2674
01:47:30,530 --> 01:47:28,380
by identical well so that's one of the

2675
01:47:31,729 --> 01:47:30,540
different versions of the Multiverse

2676
01:47:32,930 --> 01:47:31,739
Theory right there's the quantum

2677
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:32,940
Multiverse Theory which is what we've

2678
01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:34,080
been talking

2679
01:47:37,850 --> 01:47:35,880
and I think it's the most popular one

2680
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:37,860
kind of like with Marvel and the

2681
01:47:42,350 --> 01:47:39,600
superheroes but there's also this

2682
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:42,360
doppelganger Multiverse idea which is

2683
01:47:46,729 --> 01:47:45,840
that if you go Infinite Space and you

2684
01:47:49,490 --> 01:47:46,739
have

2685
01:47:50,689 --> 01:47:49,500
a finite number of particles or even if

2686
01:47:52,430 --> 01:47:50,699
you have an infinite number of particle

2687
01:47:55,250 --> 01:47:52,440
it's really weird when you talk about

2688
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:55,260
Infinity right that all of those things

2689
01:47:59,810 --> 01:47:57,840
are going to be put together in exactly

2690
01:48:02,090 --> 01:47:59,820
the same way so you have this

2691
01:48:04,430 --> 01:48:02,100
doppelganger Earth that looks just like

2692
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:04,440
us but it's really far away there's no

2693
01:48:08,090 --> 01:48:06,480
way for the light to travel so there's

2694
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,100
no way for the information to get back

2695
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:10,080
and forth there's also this idea of the

2696
01:48:14,990 --> 01:48:12,719
boltzmann brain this actually ties back

2697
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:15,000
to the the simulation idea a little bit

2698
01:48:18,590 --> 01:48:17,040
the boltzmann brain idea which is

2699
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:18,600
different than the brain and evap like

2700
01:48:22,250 --> 01:48:20,219
yeah a lot of people confuse those two

2701
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,260
but Brandon of that is like the Matrix

2702
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:24,480
right your brain is plugged into

2703
01:48:28,490 --> 01:48:26,460
something and just like Morpheus said

2704
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:28,500
what is real it's a series of electrical

2705
01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:30,719
signals coming into your brain the

2706
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:33,000
boltzmann brain is that when a random

2707
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:34,679
series of particles

2708
01:48:40,090 --> 01:48:37,320
out somewhere in the universe assembles

2709
01:48:43,010 --> 01:48:40,100
in just the same exact

2710
01:48:45,410 --> 01:48:43,020
configuration as your brain is today

2711
01:48:48,169 --> 01:48:45,420
right it's going to be the exact same

2712
01:48:50,750 --> 01:48:48,179
just for a moment maybe not even for

2713
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,760
very long but for a moment and it's

2714
01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:52,320
going to have all the same memories that

2715
01:48:56,270 --> 01:48:54,060
you had because

2716
01:48:59,629 --> 01:48:56,280
everything is the same right and so it

2717
01:49:01,990 --> 01:48:59,639
gets really really strange but then you

2718
01:49:05,570 --> 01:49:02,000
know it's going to change and so

2719
01:49:07,370 --> 01:49:05,580
physicists love Infinite things okay the

2720
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,380
computer scientist you know we're always

2721
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:09,600
about optimizing resources and realizing

2722
01:49:13,010 --> 01:49:11,760
well maybe it's not infinite there's

2723
01:49:15,709 --> 01:49:13,020
nothing that's infinite in terms of

2724
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:15,719
computing power and so that's why you

2725
01:49:19,609 --> 01:49:17,119
know when we think about

2726
01:49:21,470 --> 01:49:19,619
multiverses I think of it more in the

2727
01:49:22,970 --> 01:49:21,480
perspective of okay here's a bunch of

2728
01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:22,980
different things that could happen you

2729
01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:24,780
try them out and then you discard the

2730
01:49:28,490 --> 01:49:26,580
ones you don't want and then you keep

2731
01:49:30,530 --> 01:49:28,500
going that's how you that's where the

2732
01:49:32,990 --> 01:49:30,540
Garbage Collection comes from and and

2733
01:49:35,090 --> 01:49:33,000
that's you with a quantum computer it

2734
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:35,100
can compute all these things

2735
01:49:43,370 --> 01:49:40,320
like all the you know uh 256 you know uh

2736
01:49:45,169 --> 01:49:43,380
quintillion versions of a code find the

2737
01:49:48,050 --> 01:49:45,179
right one but what happens after that

2738
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:48,060
what happens to all those other ones uh

2739
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,040
so in a con in a computation you're

2740
01:49:55,070 --> 01:49:52,560
trying to figure something out and you

2741
01:49:56,169 --> 01:49:55,080
try to use finite resources to try to

2742
01:49:58,729 --> 01:49:56,179
figure that out

2743
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:58,739
and that's why I think you know Quantum

2744
01:50:03,169 --> 01:50:00,480
indeterminacy to a computer scientists

2745
01:50:04,970 --> 01:50:03,179
looks more like a way to optimize so you

2746
01:50:06,950 --> 01:50:04,980
know don't have to render everything all

2747
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:06,960
the time you only need to render that

2748
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:08,820
which is being played at that particular

2749
01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:11,520
Moment In Time given some set of finite

2750
01:50:17,570 --> 01:50:15,780
you know resources so well boltzmann uh

2751
01:50:20,330 --> 01:50:17,580
it was really funny

2752
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:20,340
um when he when he put this out there

2753
01:50:28,189 --> 01:50:25,679
you know he he he he later said uh I'm

2754
01:50:29,330 --> 01:50:28,199
gonna paraphrase his his comments on

2755
01:50:32,090 --> 01:50:29,340
that you

2756
01:50:33,950 --> 01:50:32,100
just making everybody just argue right I

2757
01:50:36,169 --> 01:50:33,960
just wanted to get a debate going

2758
01:50:38,570 --> 01:50:36,179
but it's a thought experiment right yeah

2759
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:38,580
I thought well he might have used

2760
01:50:43,850 --> 01:50:41,880
thought experiment later at the time he

2761
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:43,860
was you know he was just getting people

2762
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:45,840
now today we call it a thought

2763
01:50:49,149 --> 01:50:48,360
experiment right anyway

2764
01:50:52,609 --> 01:50:49,159
um

2765
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:52,619
he didn't have any idea that that

2766
01:50:59,890 --> 01:50:56,159
thought experiment would continue all

2767
01:51:03,050 --> 01:50:59,900
the way to 2023 and have morphed into

2768
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:03,060
this was a theory of his it wasn't a

2769
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,040
theory it was just something that he put

2770
01:51:08,990 --> 01:51:06,960
out there to you know to get everybody

2771
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,000
fighting and arguing with each other and

2772
01:51:12,169 --> 01:51:10,800
and maybe come up with something you

2773
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:12,179
know cool in the end a thought

2774
01:51:17,450 --> 01:51:13,980
experiment if you will

2775
01:51:19,850 --> 01:51:17,460
um but now it's like attributed to him

2776
01:51:21,169 --> 01:51:19,860
you know the Boltzmann's brain in this

2777
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,179
idea yeah he didn't think it was going

2778
01:51:25,550 --> 01:51:24,000
to be named after him yeah and uh now

2779
01:51:28,609 --> 01:51:25,560
now here's the thing

2780
01:51:31,609 --> 01:51:28,619
and this is where he was right though

2781
01:51:33,950 --> 01:51:31,619
because of the limited amount of

2782
01:51:37,790 --> 01:51:33,960
particles and and the way that they can

2783
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:37,800
combine I think now it has turned into

2784
01:51:46,370 --> 01:51:41,760
an accepted fact that you and I

2785
01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:46,380
are on a Starship and were you know were

2786
01:51:50,750 --> 01:51:49,320
five billion light years away to you

2787
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,760
know in the middle of the creation of

2788
01:51:56,330 --> 01:51:52,560
the universe and and we're just I mean

2789
01:51:59,330 --> 01:51:56,340
we are way out in well Earth is way

2790
01:52:01,850 --> 01:51:59,340
behind us we folded space 20 times right

2791
01:52:04,669 --> 01:52:01,860
and we're cruising around

2792
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,679
and you're like church what is that out

2793
01:52:09,530 --> 01:52:06,560
there I don't know let's pull over

2794
01:52:15,530 --> 01:52:09,540
something's floating okay let's pull up

2795
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:15,540
dude it's a 1965 Ford Mustang right

2796
01:52:20,830 --> 01:52:18,719
what's it doing out here it's just that

2797
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:20,840
at that instant

2798
01:52:28,250 --> 01:52:25,040
particles it's a numbers game right

2799
01:52:31,250 --> 01:52:28,260
it's a it's a it's Eddie Van Halen's

2800
01:52:32,330 --> 01:52:31,260
guitar right but there is an assumption

2801
01:52:34,810 --> 01:52:32,340
there that

2802
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:34,820
all

2803
01:52:44,209 --> 01:52:39,840
don't know if that's true right it could

2804
01:52:46,250 --> 01:52:44,219
be that planets end up being round all

2805
01:52:48,350 --> 01:52:46,260
the time so you're not going to end up

2806
01:52:50,930 --> 01:52:48,360
with a square Planet not because that's

2807
01:52:52,910 --> 01:52:50,940
not one of the random configurations of

2808
01:52:54,590 --> 01:52:52,920
a possible Planet it's just that

2809
01:52:56,930 --> 01:52:54,600
whatever physical laws we have in the

2810
01:52:58,669 --> 01:52:56,940
physical Universe make certain paths

2811
01:53:00,169 --> 01:52:58,679
right if you think of these things as

2812
01:53:03,649 --> 01:53:00,179
paths going around they make certain

2813
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,659
paths more likely than other paths uh

2814
01:53:07,129 --> 01:53:05,760
and so it makes it harder to to get

2815
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:07,139
there but you know speaking of a

2816
01:53:10,609 --> 01:53:09,000
boltzmann brain there's this idea of

2817
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:10,619
last thursdayism have you ever heard

2818
01:53:13,850 --> 01:53:12,060
this

2819
01:53:14,990 --> 01:53:13,860
where the idea is that how do you know

2820
01:53:17,149 --> 01:53:15,000
the universe wasn't created last

2821
01:53:18,410 --> 01:53:17,159
Thursday right it gets back to exactly

2822
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,420
what we've been talking about which is

2823
01:53:22,490 --> 01:53:20,400
the memories if they're arranged in that

2824
01:53:24,590 --> 01:53:22,500
if all the particles are arranged in

2825
01:53:27,229 --> 01:53:24,600
that that way that you just talked about

2826
01:53:28,970 --> 01:53:27,239
with a boltzmann brain right you

2827
01:53:32,270 --> 01:53:28,980
wouldn't know if the history was really

2828
01:53:33,649 --> 01:53:32,280
there or not there's another thought

2829
01:53:34,729 --> 01:53:33,659
experiment that's probably worth it I

2830
01:53:37,010 --> 01:53:34,739
think we're getting close to the end

2831
01:53:39,229 --> 01:53:37,020
here of our time but there's a thought

2832
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:39,239
experiment called The Experience machine

2833
01:53:42,830 --> 01:53:40,980
uh which was put up with this guy in the

2834
01:53:45,050 --> 01:53:42,840
70s and then in the 80s I forget his

2835
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:45,060
name at the moment but but basically he

2836
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:46,320
said what if you could create a virtual

2837
01:53:49,370 --> 01:53:47,400
reality

2838
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:49,380
that could give you any experience you

2839
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,400
wanted

2840
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:52,560
you could go in as virtual reality and

2841
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,360
you could become rich you could become

2842
01:53:59,209 --> 01:53:56,760
famous you could become a Sports NFL

2843
01:54:01,729 --> 01:53:59,219
star and you would be so immersed that

2844
01:54:03,050 --> 01:54:01,739
you would not know right that you were

2845
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:03,060
in there and you would be in there for

2846
01:54:08,330 --> 01:54:06,239
two years and then you would come out uh

2847
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,340
for some period of time and then you

2848
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:10,320
would go back in and then he had another

2849
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,239
version of the thought experiment which

2850
01:54:16,010 --> 01:54:14,639
is what if you could do that and go in

2851
01:54:18,350 --> 01:54:16,020
there for the rest of your life and you

2852
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:18,360
wouldn't would you do it right so this

2853
01:54:24,350 --> 01:54:20,000
is an interesting

2854
01:54:25,609 --> 01:54:24,360
that's it yes exactly would you do it uh

2855
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:25,619
and that's an interesting question

2856
01:54:29,290 --> 01:54:27,239
because I remember this yeah

2857
01:54:31,010 --> 01:54:29,300
philosophers have tried to do some

2858
01:54:33,410 --> 01:54:31,020
experimental research where they

2859
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:33,420
actually ask people and most people say

2860
01:54:39,410 --> 01:54:37,199
no like a majority of people 70 say no I

2861
01:54:41,570 --> 01:54:39,420
wouldn't do this right and so it's used

2862
01:54:43,330 --> 01:54:41,580
as an argument to say well we're not

2863
01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:43,340
just pleasure seeking

2864
01:54:47,810 --> 01:54:45,900
machines because if we weren't we it's

2865
01:54:50,930 --> 01:54:47,820
more pleasurable to be in there because

2866
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,940
it's exactly the same right a experience

2867
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:53,520
but it's not reality so does reality

2868
01:54:56,689 --> 01:54:54,719
have value

2869
01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:56,699
but but I wonder about that it's a

2870
01:55:00,830 --> 01:54:57,840
question I think people could ask

2871
01:55:02,750 --> 01:55:00,840
themselves would they do it if if they

2872
01:55:04,010 --> 01:55:02,760
for the rest of their lives they were in

2873
01:55:07,310 --> 01:55:04,020
this virtual ad but they could have any

2874
01:55:13,850 --> 01:55:07,320
life they wanted it reminds me of uh

2875
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:13,860
Leonard suskin and he uh I've I've

2876
01:55:19,310 --> 01:55:16,560
watched this uh presentation of his many

2877
01:55:22,189 --> 01:55:19,320
times just a small thing with a group of

2878
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:22,199
friends he's had a white board and he's

2879
01:55:26,689 --> 01:55:24,239
just just rambling one night just a

2880
01:55:27,530 --> 01:55:26,699
great conversation but he says he says

2881
01:55:30,109 --> 01:55:27,540
this

2882
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:30,119
uh you know back to Robert's point with

2883
01:55:38,090 --> 01:55:31,920
the experience machine and and what

2884
01:55:42,590 --> 01:55:40,550
everything

2885
01:55:44,570 --> 01:55:42,600
you can think of

2886
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:44,580
the craziest thought

2887
01:55:49,370 --> 01:55:46,560
idea

2888
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:49,380
will happen

2889
01:55:53,450 --> 01:55:50,880
that's it

2890
01:55:56,270 --> 01:55:53,460
and so you see if you just think about

2891
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,280
that for a second so he goes off and and

2892
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:59,280
gives an example and this thing and he I

2893
01:56:04,910 --> 01:56:00,960
think he even brings up about uh

2894
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,920
Boltzmann's brain he this long thick but

2895
01:56:09,649 --> 01:56:06,719
it's just a fantastic he's a great

2896
01:56:14,689 --> 01:56:09,659
Storyteller right he's a great orator

2897
01:56:16,189 --> 01:56:14,699
but that general statement whatever it

2898
01:56:19,490 --> 01:56:16,199
is

2899
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:19,500
will eventually happen it may not happen

2900
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:22,080
tomorrow and it may take a very long

2901
01:56:29,870 --> 01:56:27,119
time but everything everything will

2902
01:56:33,770 --> 01:56:29,880
eventually happen and that's a crazy

2903
01:56:36,169 --> 01:56:33,780
thought right there just right there

2904
01:56:39,830 --> 01:56:36,179
yeah that is a crazy thought and it gets

2905
01:56:42,169 --> 01:56:39,840
back to is every possible configuration

2906
01:56:44,450 --> 01:56:42,179
of these particles

2907
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:44,460
you know is it likely to happen at some

2908
01:56:48,109 --> 01:56:45,360
point

2909
01:56:51,050 --> 01:56:48,119
um I would argue that that's true for

2910
01:56:53,330 --> 01:56:51,060
chaotic processes so in Chaos Theory

2911
01:56:56,810 --> 01:56:53,340
there's this idea of processes that go

2912
01:56:58,370 --> 01:56:56,820
into a steady state right and so uh they

2913
01:57:00,109 --> 01:56:58,380
basically end up just repeating the same

2914
01:57:02,990 --> 01:57:00,119
numbers or they stay at the same level

2915
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:03,000
and then you can or they're going to a

2916
01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:05,880
periodic so every fifth step or every

2917
01:57:10,729 --> 01:57:07,679
500 steps it ends up here it's like a

2918
01:57:12,589 --> 01:57:10,739
period periodicity And so that is

2919
01:57:15,770 --> 01:57:12,599
predictable but then the chaotic

2920
01:57:17,330 --> 01:57:15,780
processes are not predictable and so you

2921
01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:17,340
can never say whether something is

2922
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,840
actually going to happen or not without

2923
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,119
actually going all the way to those

2924
01:57:24,890 --> 01:57:23,520
Infinity to try to figure out if it's

2925
01:57:26,750 --> 01:57:24,900
going to happen or not so it's an

2926
01:57:28,430 --> 01:57:26,760
interesting question is every

2927
01:57:31,609 --> 01:57:28,440
configuration

2928
01:57:33,770 --> 01:57:31,619
equally likely to happen or not that it

2929
01:57:35,149 --> 01:57:33,780
gets back to probabilities too so yeah

2930
01:57:37,729 --> 01:57:35,159
it is it is an interesting thought

2931
01:57:42,649 --> 01:57:37,739
experiment though it's crazy yeah I mean

2932
01:57:44,750 --> 01:57:42,659
and and and Lenny uh he his example uh

2933
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:44,760
I'm it's a very I'm going to give you

2934
01:57:49,729 --> 01:57:47,520
the short version of it yeah he's uh he

2935
01:57:52,669 --> 01:57:49,739
says something like you're in your

2936
01:57:55,790 --> 01:57:52,679
kitchen you got a bowl of oatmeal you're

2937
01:57:58,390 --> 01:57:55,800
stirring the oatmeal and you drop the

2938
01:58:01,250 --> 01:57:58,400
bowl and the bowl hits the ground

2939
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:01,260
shatters and the oatmeal goes all over

2940
01:58:08,830 --> 01:58:05,040
the floor and then it reverses itself

2941
01:58:12,770 --> 01:58:08,840
right and all of them matter

2942
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:12,780
recombines and the bowl and the oatmeal

2943
01:58:18,609 --> 01:58:15,840
come back up to your hand

2944
01:58:25,070 --> 01:58:22,729
it's gonna happen right and so you you

2945
01:58:26,810 --> 01:58:25,080
think of you know and that's his example

2946
01:58:30,290 --> 01:58:26,820
you know just think of something crazy

2947
01:58:32,149 --> 01:58:30,300
just think of of something that is

2948
01:58:34,669 --> 01:58:32,159
absolutely impossible no all things are

2949
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:34,679
possible that's it and and will

2950
01:58:39,770 --> 01:58:37,619
eventually happen so there you go Riz

2951
01:58:41,390 --> 01:58:39,780
thank you so much when's the when's the

2952
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:41,400
hey you know what you know what's funny

2953
01:58:46,070 --> 01:58:43,920
you and I were talking the other day we

2954
01:58:47,390 --> 01:58:46,080
had like five things that we were going

2955
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:47,400
to talk about tonight we didn't talk

2956
01:58:56,589 --> 01:58:48,690
about any of them

2957
01:59:02,390 --> 01:59:00,770
we had a whole show planned and uh we'll

2958
01:59:04,129 --> 01:59:02,400
have to come back for another show then

2959
01:59:06,709 --> 01:59:04,139
you're the absolute best rizz are you

2960
01:59:08,689 --> 01:59:06,719
coming out to a conscious life Expo I

2961
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:08,699
may stop by originally I was planning to

2962
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:10,560
be in another city but that got canceled

2963
01:59:14,510 --> 01:59:12,239
so I may end up stopping by conscious

2964
01:59:16,030 --> 01:59:14,520
life you got to come hang out with us

2965
01:59:18,530 --> 01:59:16,040
man you got to cook yeah I'd love to

2966
01:59:20,689 --> 01:59:18,540
danion's gonna be there yeah I think

2967
01:59:21,890 --> 01:59:20,699
he's speaking on uh Friday so that'll

2968
01:59:23,570 --> 01:59:21,900
probably be the day I'll try to make it

2969
01:59:25,010 --> 01:59:23,580
out if I yeah yeah come and hang out

2970
01:59:27,770 --> 01:59:25,020
with us man let's break some bread

2971
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:27,780
you're the best uh what's your website

2972
01:59:33,950 --> 01:59:31,260
so my website is Zen entrepreneur.com

2973
01:59:35,930 --> 01:59:33,960
and they can get uh people can download

2974
01:59:38,209 --> 01:59:35,940
free chapters of my various books

2975
01:59:40,129 --> 01:59:38,219
including the simulated Multiverse which

2976
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:40,139
is the latest one and then there's a new

2977
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:42,239
book do you have treasure hunt up there

2978
01:59:46,550 --> 01:59:45,119
too yes treasure hunt as well uh you can

2979
01:59:49,010 --> 01:59:46,560
link to that and Zen entrepreneurship

2980
01:59:50,930 --> 01:59:49,020
Which is my very first book

2981
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:50,940
um is up there also in the startup book

2982
01:59:55,250 --> 01:59:52,800
which is more of a business book about

2983
01:59:57,290 --> 01:59:55,260
startup myths and models what you won't

2984
01:59:58,910 --> 01:59:57,300
learn in business school it was supposed

2985
02:00:00,890 --> 01:59:58,920
to be called what you won't learn at

2986
02:00:03,169 --> 02:00:00,900
Stanford Business School but it was

2987
02:00:04,490 --> 02:00:03,179
published by Colombia business school

2988
02:00:05,890 --> 02:00:04,500
press and they're like hey we can't

2989
02:00:08,270 --> 02:00:05,900
knock Stanford

2990
02:00:10,189 --> 02:00:08,280
in our title so

2991
02:00:12,530 --> 02:00:10,199
you're the best man I'll see you in a

2992
02:00:14,810 --> 02:00:12,540
couple of weeks no no next weekend I'll

2993
02:00:16,910 --> 02:00:14,820
see you next weekend just live facts

2994
02:00:18,530 --> 02:00:16,920
about Riz thank you so much my friend

2995
02:00:21,770 --> 02:00:18,540
behave and be well

2996
02:00:25,550 --> 02:00:21,780
thanks for having me you're the best Riz

2997
02:00:27,530 --> 02:00:25,560
verk and rizz's links are uh in the

2998
02:00:31,010 --> 02:00:27,540
description box below for social media

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02:00:32,750 --> 02:00:31,020
and of course over on our website all

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02:00:36,109 --> 02:00:32,760
right so with that what a great show

3001
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:36,119
tonight thank you Riz and and again he

3002
02:00:41,930 --> 02:00:37,920
just makes me think and that's the best

3003
02:00:43,550 --> 02:00:41,940
part of doing this show absolutely

3004
02:00:46,070 --> 02:00:43,560
incredible all right let me see what I

3005
02:00:49,010 --> 02:00:46,080
got going on here what have I got going

3006
02:00:50,750 --> 02:00:49,020
on oh there it is there it is I got this

3007
02:00:56,570 --> 02:00:50,760
figured out

3008
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:56,580
tomorrow night Jason quit is with us

3009
02:00:59,930 --> 02:00:58,560
he's got a new book coming out

3010
02:01:01,970 --> 02:00:59,940
um I've got it

3011
02:01:04,070 --> 02:01:01,980
and we're gonna be talking about some

3012
02:01:07,310 --> 02:01:04,080
pretty interesting Concepts and secrets

3013
02:01:09,290 --> 02:01:07,320
that are about to be revealed so all of

3014
02:01:10,669 --> 02:01:09,300
that tomorrow night on Fade to Black

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02:01:12,649 --> 02:01:10,679
you're not going to want to miss that

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02:01:14,450 --> 02:01:12,659
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02:01:33,109 --> 02:01:31,560
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02:01:34,729 --> 02:01:33,119
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02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:38,159
Yours Timmy church tomorrow night

3029
02:01:43,609 --> 02:01:41,280
Jason quick until then I want everybody

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02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:43,619
to be safe

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02:01:54,350 --> 02:01:47,330
go back Lee tappy

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